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Old 12/08/18, 01:09 PM   #1
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New Brake Line Problems

So I ordered a new brake line kit from one of the vendors and I have stumped in a few areas. First the long piece that runs along the frame comes up about 8-10 inches short of the H-block which is where itís supposed to connect. Anyone else had this problem?

Also, the hose that connects to the front axle to the H- block is not correct at all. The vendor sent me an adapter but it does not seem to be correct.

First picture is of the old hose next to the new one,along with the adapter they sent.

Second picture is the new brake line coming from the rear and shows how short it is. You canít see the H block but itís a good 8 inches short.

Anybody had a kit that is this far off?
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Old 12/08/18, 04:20 PM   #2
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The flex hose looks like a rear instead.
The hard line looks like it's for the '68 and later models, that actually have an H-block.

Your '67 still has a single reservoir master cylinder?

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Old 12/08/18, 04:48 PM   #3
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Paul,
It is the exact same as the rear one they sent two and said one was for the front. They sent 4 hoses. See pic. Not sure what the 2hoses with bangonfitting on each end are?

My 67 has a dual reservoir mc. I accidentally ordered the kit for a single mc and called to return and they said keep it and they would send the different parts. So the sent the small adapter and the two coiled lines to go from the H block to mc.
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Old 12/08/18, 04:57 PM   #4
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I'm not as familiar with the early hoses as I should be, but I wonder if yours was part of a transition?
Did it have a dual master from the factory do you think? Or would it have been swapped in later?
Any idea what month yours was built in?

The early models may have mated to the frame in the front the same as in the rear then, with it clipped to a frame bracket and the short metal bit to mate up with some other fitting.
The way the later ones work is that the hose has a "block" on the end similar to the axle end, that actually bolts to the frame. From there a short section of hard line runs to the H-block mounted up on top of the frame rail near the clutch cross-link.

I don't have any pics handy at the moment, but we should compare how things are on yours compared to other known correct setups for early and late models.
I'll look for some pics, but in the meantime hopefully someone else will have some to post up.

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Old 12/09/18, 08:34 PM   #5
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I think it had a dual mc from the factory. This was a December 66 build date so I am sure there is some transition going on.

The “factory” front brakes follow this path. Large reservoir to Hblock and Hblock to hose mounted on the side of the frame. The hose then leads to the axle and ties into both sides and holds the breather tube. I don’t see a hose like that in my kit. Maybe they don’t make one?

The rear brakes follow this path. Small reservoir to Hblock and Hblock directly into the line that runs along the frame. Then hose that ties into the axle. (All of my rear set up is fine.)

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I think it had a dual mc from the factory. This was a December 66 build date so I am sure there is some transition going on.
Probably did. Normally December would put it near the beginning of the second quarter of the model year production, which usually runs from September through the next August, but not sure when the '67 year schedule ran.
But if I remember now, it was the '67 model year that the dual circuit masters were required, not '68 like I had previously remembered.
Federal regulation too, so likely there was no transition, again like I thought I remembered.

But that also means that you should have the H-block in the normal location.
I think we need to see a pic of the top of your frame with H-block and we can compare locations to others. If correct, maybe your too-short rear line is made for a '76 and '77 with full proportioning type combo valve.

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The ďfactoryĒ front brakes follow this path: Large reservoir to Hblock and Hblock to hose mounted on the side of the frame. The hose then leads to the axle and ties into both sides and holds the breather tube.
Sounds like all the others. If so, then I think you simply got the wrong hose both times. Your front hose should have the blocks at both ends.
The lower end has the hole for the breather bolt, and two ports where the lines attach. The upper end on the frame should have just a hole for the attaching bolt and a single threaded port for the hard line to the H-block.
Just as it sounds like yours is.

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I donít see a hose like that in my kit. Maybe they donít make one?
Yep, all later hoses are the same at that point. So they should have sent you the one that looks just like your old one.
We have them here: Front Brake Hose - Center and you can see in the picture that it's more like your existing one than it is the ones you received.
Maybe the place you got them didn't have any, or made a mistake. Likely they have the correct replacement and you can get confirmation tomorrow.

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The rear brakes follow this path:
Small reservoir to Hblock and Hblock directly into the line that runs along the frame. Then hose that ties into the axle. (All of my rear set up is fine.)
Got a pic?

Thanks

Paul

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'68 LUBR, 2.5 + 1 WH, 31x10.50, 4.56, Explorer and 4R70w by EFI Guy, WH disc brakes, Hanson front bumper, Warn winch. "Bought, not built"

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