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70 Steed

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It's in the labor code, looking up on my phone it appears to be 2802.
I just think most shops that get a tool truck dont have many minimum in wage jobs. Think of your oil change place (jiffy lube, oil changers) those places supply tools because they don't meet the wage requirement.

I looked up Labor Code 2802. Here's what it says:

"2802. (a) An employer shall indemnify his or her employee for all
necessary expenditures or losses incurred by the employee in direct
consequence of the discharge of his or her duties, or of his or her
obedience to the directions of the employer, even though unlawful,
unless the employee, at the time of obeying the directions, believed
them to be unlawful.
(b) All awards made by a court or by the Division of Labor
Standards Enforcement for reimbursement of necessary expenditures
under this section shall carry interest at the same rate as judgments
in civil actions. Interest shall accrue from the date on which the
employee incurred the necessary expenditure or loss.
(c) For purposes of this section, the term "necessary expenditures
or losses" shall include all reasonable costs, including, but not
limited to, attorney's fees incurred by the employee enforcing the
rights granted by this section."

I don't see anything that refers to a mechanic, tools or 2x the minimum wage. All I can say is I know Mac Tools Distributors all across the USA and some Snap-on and Matco and all mechanics are required to provide their own tools and many don't earn twice the minimum wage.

The only exception is the quick oil change places where the shop provides the basic filter wrenches, etc.
 

70 Steed

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Don't assume that my few posts mean that I don't know what I'm talking about.

I don't think anyone is assuming that because of your low post count you don't know what your talking about. As Broncitis said the fact that you chose to come out of the woodwork and post about how great RR is after the OP did the same thing is suspicious. To make matters worse for yourself you then get in a pi$$ing contest with some of the other members here.

You are not making a lot of friend here. I suggest that you back off this thread and post on some other threads where you can show that you know what your talking about.
 

welndmn

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I looked up Labor Code 2802. Here's what it says:

"2802. (a) An employer shall indemnify his or her employee for all
necessary expenditures or losses incurred by the employee in direct
consequence of the discharge of his or her duties, or of his or her
obedience to the directions of the employer, even though unlawful,
unless the employee, at the time of obeying the directions, believed
them to be unlawful.
(b) All awards made by a court or by the Division of Labor
Standards Enforcement for reimbursement of necessary expenditures
under this section shall carry interest at the same rate as judgments
in civil actions. Interest shall accrue from the date on which the
employee incurred the necessary expenditure or loss.
(c) For purposes of this section, the term "necessary expenditures
or losses" shall include all reasonable costs, including, but not
limited to, attorney's fees incurred by the employee enforcing the
rights granted by this section."

I don't see anything that refers to a mechanic, tools or 2x the minimum wage. All I can say is I know Mac Tools Distributors all across the USA and some Snap-on and Matco and all mechanics are required to provide their own tools and many don't earn twice the minimum wage.

The only exception is the quick oil change places where the shop provides the basic filter wrenches, etc.

I was wrong on the number. Here is law. Google around and tell your firends.

TITLE 8. INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
DIVISION 1. DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
CHAPTER 5. INDUSTRIAL WELFARE COMMISSION
GROUP 2. INDUSTRY AND OCCUPATION ORDERS
ARTICLE 4. PROFESSIONAL, TECHNICAL, CLERICAL, MECHANICAL, AND SIMILAR
OCCUPATIONS (WAGE ORDER 4-2001, EFFECTIVE 1-1-2001)

Pertinent part of regulation is in Section (B) below:

9. Uniforms and Equipment

(A) When uniforms are required by the employer to be worn by the
employee as a condition of employment, such uniforms shall be provided
and maintained by the employer. The term "uniform" includes wearing
apparel and accessories of distinctive design or color.

NOTE: This section shall not apply to protective apparel regulated by
the Occupational Safety and Health Standards Board.

(B) When tools or equipment are required by the employer or are
necessary to the performance of a job, such tools and equipment shall
be provided and maintained by the employer, except that an employee
whose wages are at least two (2) times the minimum wage provided
herein may be required to provide and maintain hand tools and
equipment customarily required by the trade or craft. This subsection
(B) shall not apply to apprentices regularly indentured under the
State Division of Apprenticeship Standards.
 

jw0747

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as I understand it now a guy who has 30,000+ posts on here is probably the smartest and most qualified guy on the subject of classic Broncos and the guy who has very few posts better keep quiet and not post anything because he'll not be making any friends. makes perfect sense...
 

bax

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I have lots of posts but I still am not sure if you put peanut butter on both pieces of bead and then jelly in the middle or if its just jelly on one side and peanut butter on the other?
 

Bronco Junkie

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I have lots of posts but I still am not sure if you put peanut butter on both pieces of bead and then jelly in the middle or if its just jelly on one side and peanut butter on the other?

I put the jelly on top of the peanut butter....have I been doing wrong this whole time?:p
 

70 Steed

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as I understand it now a guy who has 30,000+ posts on here is probably the smartest and most qualified guy on the subject of classic Broncos and the guy who has very few posts better keep quiet and not post anything because he'll not be making any friends. makes perfect sense...

I don't know how you came to that conclusion. You must not have read the first sentance of post #62. Talk about adding 2+2 and getting 5. I think you got 67. :)
 

70 Steed

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I was wrong on the number. Here is law. Google around and tell your firends.

TITLE 8. INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
DIVISION 1. DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
CHAPTER 5. INDUSTRIAL WELFARE COMMISSION
GROUP 2. INDUSTRY AND OCCUPATION ORDERS
ARTICLE 4. PROFESSIONAL, TECHNICAL, CLERICAL, MECHANICAL, AND SIMILAR
OCCUPATIONS (WAGE ORDER 4-2001, EFFECTIVE 1-1-2001)

Pertinent part of regulation is in Section (B) below:

9. Uniforms and Equipment

(A) When uniforms are required by the employer to be worn by the
employee as a condition of employment, such uniforms shall be provided
and maintained by the employer. The term "uniform" includes wearing
apparel and accessories of distinctive design or color.

NOTE: This section shall not apply to protective apparel regulated by
the Occupational Safety and Health Standards Board.

(B) When tools or equipment are required by the employer or are
necessary to the performance of a job, such tools and equipment shall
be provided and maintained by the employer, except that an employee
whose wages are at least two (2) times the minimum wage provided
herein may be required to provide and maintain hand tools and
equipment customarily required by the trade or craft. This subsection
(B) shall not apply to apprentices regularly indentured under the
State Division of Apprenticeship Standards.

Interesting...

I did some further checking and that appears to be the law. All I can say is that's not the way it works in the real world. In the union shops the techs are probably getting 2x the minimum wage. However in the independent garages they are not getting double the minimum wage. I don't know how the shops get around it. Maybe they don't require the techs to have their own tools and just don't hire anyone that doesn't have them. In all shops the techs have their own tools. In fact in some of the checking that I did the automotive tech schools say that the students are going to be purchasing their own tools during the training. All of the major tools companies (Mac, Matco, Snap-on, Cornwell, etc.) have agreements with the tech schools to supply the students with tools at discounted prices.

All of the major tool companies' business models are based on the techs purchasing their own tools. The dealers are provided a route with a certain guarenteed minimum number of shops and techs (customers). That minimum number is usually around 125 shops and 350 customers. The customers purchase directly from the tool dealer. The dealer extends credit to the customers called a truck account. The dealer is responsible for collecting the unpaid balance for tools sold. If the customer skips out the dealer is out the money.

I don't know why there aren't more lawsuits. But the industry standard practice is for the tech to supply their own tools.
 

bmc69

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very interesting...

We need someone that knows a lot about the subject to explain...better yet, to demonstrate how to pick those up by the clean end.

Robbie...for example.
 

jw0747

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I don't know how you came to that conclusion. You must not have read the first sentance of post #62. Talk about adding 2+2 and getting 5. I think you got 67

the guy went to the trouble of checking out RR in person recently so his opinion is worth as much as someone who had a bad experience with them in the past. point being that everybody's opinion on here is worth something to someone except maybe in Robbie's case.;)
 

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For a second there I thought of old Charlie Wenzel...
pancakewenzel.jpg
 
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