4BT, I'll wait

[Broncobowsher]

Just found this

"GM'S NEW DIESEL FOR 2009
According to a recent WardsAuto.com article, the Hummer H2 and Chevrolet and GMC light-duty pickups built after 2009 will come available with an all-new 4.5L V8 Duramax turbodiesel. The new powerplant will be produced at General Motors Corp.'s Tonawanda, New York, plant.

According to the article, the 4.5L Duramax is a means of improving the fuel efficiency of some of the automaker's biggest vehicles. The new engine is expected to emit 13% less carbon dioxide than existing gasoline engines. It will also reduce the particulates and oxides of nitrogen emissions by 90% over today's diesel powerplants. Tom Stephens, group vice-president of GM's global powertrain and quality, says that the new diesel "is expected to become a favorite among customers who require excellent towing ability and fuel efficiency." The new Duramax will meet all 2010 emissions standards in the United States and will be 50-state compliant.

The 4.5L will be a DOHC V8 with more than 310 hp and 520 lb.-ft. of torque. It will also be the first GM engine to feature selective catalytic-reduction exhaust aftertreatment and a diesel particulate filter, which will help it meet the new U.S. Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions standards. The powerplant will feature a graphite-iron block, aluminum cylinder heads with integrated manifolds, an intercooled variable-geometry turbocharger and a high-pressure common-rail fuel-injection system capable of five injection events per cycle.

GM officials who were on hand for test drives of the 2008 Hummer H2 and H3 Alpha declined to confirm any details on the aftertreatment technology. However, a urea-injection system will likely be needed to meet future emissions standards, according to the WardsAuto.com article. One of the most interesting features of new Duramax is its ability to be mounted in the same space as GM's small-block V8 lineup. This allows for easier adaptation for a wide variety of vehicles, as the diesel market continues to grow. Could we see this Duramax in any of GM's passenger cars?

Not only will the new Duramax serve to boost the fuel efficiency of vehicles such as the H2, but as WardsAuto.com points out, it will also help to improve the image of the Hummer brand, which is under constant attack by the environmentalists. The 4.5L Duramax will also be capable of running on some mix of biodiesel, according to Martin Walsh, Hummer General Manager. GM will be investing $100 million in the Tonawanda, New York, plant where the new diesel will be produced. GM will also dispense an additional $41 million for vendor tooling, containers and investment at other locations. Output of the new diesel is slated to get underway in the fourth quarter of 2009, and the project is expected to retain 150 hourly jobs at the plant.

Source: Sutton, Mike. (June 15, 2007). "Hummer H2 to Feature All-New Diesel After 2009." WardsAuto.com. Retrieved June 18, 2007 from www.wardsauto.com."

I like the size of the current small block comment. and my current 351 is still fresh, so maybe by the time I kill it I can find one of these waiting to be transplanted.

and I don't really care where an engine comes from, as long as it works.

[reynard101]

That's a good article. Seems like some serious torque (520 lb-ft.) for a 1/2 ton drivetrain!

I know the American Big 3 (funny how I now have to state that it's the American Big 3, any ways...) are all working on 1/2 ton model diesels. Ford currently has a smaller diesel in some of their tilt cab trucks, that seems like it would be a good candidate for their 1/2 ton pick-ups. Toyota and Nissan gave up on a 3/4 ton version of their pick-ups, so they too probably have something in the works as far as a diesel engine option for their 1/2 tons. It will be interesting to see how the these new diesel "wars" end up.

Here's a little info from the Ford Tilt Cab V-6 diesel:

Power Stroke (4.5L) V6 200 HP @ 2650 RPM
Includes: Radiator - Modine, 618 Sq In Down Flow, Aluminum, 2 row, louvered, with 381 Sq In charge air cooler., Starting Motor - 12-Volt, Visteon V110, Less thermal over-crank protection. 440 lb. ft. torque @ 1850 RPM, 3600 RPM governed speed. Includes Racor HFCM (Horizontal Fuel Conditioning Module) with 10 micron filter, water separator, heater and pump, frame mounted.

[broncow72]

I was just wondering why I can't get a 1 ton van with a smaller diesel. I don't want the larger engines as I don't need to tow 10,000 lbs. But I do like having a 1 ton van for durability and load handling. Seems the 4bt (or equivelant) would be good for this.
Curious to see the cost of this new setup also. The typical 5 grand more just to get the diesel is a bit much, add maintainance and there is really no benefit over gas. Operating costs seem to outweigh the fuel savings.

[Broncobowsher]

Originally Posted by broncow72

I was just wondering why I can't get a 1 ton van with a smaller diesel. I don't want the larger engines as I don't need to tow 10,000 lbs. But I do like having a 1 ton van for durability and load handling. Seems the 4bt (or equivelant) would be good for this.
Curious to see the cost of this new setup also. The typical 5 grand more just to get the diesel is a bit much, add maintainance and there is really no benefit over gas. Operating costs seem to outweigh the fuel savings.

You need to head down to your local dodge dealer and look at the Sprinter vans. Just started driving one yesterday with the 3.6 V6 turbo diesel. You would think it was a gas engine the way it runs. The 5 speed auto has a really low first gear.

[feitctaj]

Originally Posted by broncow72

I was just wondering why I can't get a 1 ton van with a smaller diesel. I don't want the larger engines as I don't need to tow 10,000 lbs. But I do like having a 1 ton van for durability and load handling. Seems the 4bt (or equivelant) would be good for this.
Curious to see the cost of this new setup also. The typical 5 grand more just to get the diesel is a bit much, add maintainance and there is really no benefit over gas. Operating costs seem to outweigh the fuel savings.

they are all over in europe

[feitctaj]

Originally Posted by Broncobowsher

You need to head down to your local dodge dealer and look at the Sprinter vans. Just started driving one yesterday with the 3.6 V6 turbo diesel. You would think it was a gas engine the way it runs. The 5 speed auto has a really low first gear.

that is a MECEDES rebadged Dodge

[Case]

Originally Posted by reynard101

That's a good article. Seems like some serious torque (520 lb-ft.) for a 1/2 ton drivetrain!

I know the American Big 3 (funny how I now have to state that it's the American Big 3, any ways...) are all working on 1/2 ton model diesels. Ford currently has a smaller diesel in some of their tilt cab trucks, that seems like it would be a good candidate for their 1/2 ton pick-ups. Toyota and Nissan gave up on a 3/4 ton version of their pick-ups, so they too probably have something in the works as far as a diesel engine option for their 1/2 tons. It will be interesting to see how the these new diesel "wars" end up.

Here's a little info from the Ford Tilt Cab V-6 diesel:

Power Stroke (4.5L) V6 200 HP @ 2650 RPM
Includes: Radiator - Modine, 618 Sq In Down Flow, Aluminum, 2 row, louvered, with 381 Sq In charge air cooler., Starting Motor - 12-Volt, Visteon V110, Less thermal over-crank protection. 440 lb. ft. torque @ 1850 RPM, 3600 RPM governed speed. Includes Racor HFCM (Horizontal Fuel Conditioning Module) with 10 micron filter, water separator, heater and pump, frame mounted.

the relationship between ford and international is not doing very well at all. from the looks of it ford will build a diesel in house for a 1/2 ton pickup.

[Broncobowsher]

Originally Posted by feitctaj

that is a MECEDES rebadged Dodge

So?

Don't knock it until you have driven one.



I still like what I am hearing on the upcoming GM V8 diesel. It looks like '09 will be a big year for small diesels.

[feitctaj]

I did not knock it , I have been in at least 20 diferant ones and they are a fine plant

[broncow72]

They are too expensive. I like 'em but as stated before, the cost of ownership outwieghs the financial benefit.

[73stallion]

just thought i'd post a pic of that new engine. looks like a few crossmember interference issues, but nothing a torch and welder can't fix...

[BroncoJAK]

Ford is transplanting a Diesel from Range Rover into a 1/2 ton. Slated to be out 2008-09.

[73stallion]

REALLY?????? that could be even better...

[BroncoJAK]

Don't recall all the details. I work at a Ford dealer and get corp magazines and such. It's a new v8 Diesel I think 4.4ltr. Rumor has it will be produced in UK and shipped over here. I'll see if I can find the article when I get back to work.