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Old 07/10/13, 11:23 AM   #1
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Stock Suspension Kit

I searched stock suspension kit and came up empty handed.

Has anyone installed this from JBG:

13756-stock-suspension-system-1976-77

Looking to completely replace the suspension system in your vehicle, than this kit was designed for you.
Kit Includes:
-Stock Height Coils
-Rear Leaf Packs with bushings
-2 JBG Superride Front Shocks
-2 JBG Superride Rear Shocks
-Black Polyurethane C-Bushings
-Black Polyurethane Radius Arm Bushings
-Black Polyurethane Trac Bar Bushings
-Heavy-duty U-Bolts with nyloc nuts



Background info:

My '77 is close to all original. First owner had her for 10 years, managed 17K miles, next owner for 26 years spun the odo to 75K and she's pretty much a survivor. Which means, I'm sure the suspension is in need of some new components. Plus a winch has been hanging off of the front since new, of which I recently removed to help fund the suspension upgrades.

I know the latest craze is luber and I do love a luber, but I don't love what seems to be double the cost for a kit, or the potential of sacrificed ride quality if you try to cheat the lift. Plus, I'm rocking a brand new inverted Y set up and don't feel like throwing it for a loop. I'm thinking that I'll go the opposite of the crowd and keep her at the stock height for simplicity's sake.

Expectations:

I'm looking for a Buick - Bronco ride. This thing will be a mall crawler, cruise night cruiser. In fact, my A/T's will be replaced with H/L's. Eventually, I'd like to add at the least a front sway bar. I do currently have the big bearing HD leaf package on the Bronco.

General consensus:

I'm looking for input here. Every Bronco provider says their shocks are valved for EB's. Anyone have experience with JBG shocks? Should I forgo the JBG shocks in favor of say Bilsteins?

I see the kit does not provide shackles...are they a must if I stay at stock height and the rig has low miles with no signs of abuse?

Thoughts...feedback...further questions?

Kate - '77 Ranger, AT, PS, PDB, AC
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Old 07/10/13, 11:37 AM   #2
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Damn Jason - a whole new suspension huh? Does that mean you sold the bike?
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Old 07/10/13, 11:44 AM   #3
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WH also sells a stock suspension kit.

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Old 07/10/13, 11:50 AM   #4
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WH also sells a stock suspension kit.
Thanks!
We sure do!
http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product/Stock_System_w_WH

I will say that at the current time (7/10/2013), I am out of the rear 10 leaf packs. I hope to get them back shortly.
Look at our kit, give s a call and probe us with any questions you have, I am more then happy to make sure you get the kit you need.

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Old 07/10/13, 12:07 PM   #5
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Jason - call me before you order.

Shipping on that is going to be high and I've had my eye on a new rear leaf set. My current setup (factory leafs plus add a leaf from 10 years ago) is sagging. Maybe we can order together and split the shipping.
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Old 07/10/13, 12:08 PM   #6
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And if we can ship to your place so the wife doesn't find out that's even better!!!
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Old 07/10/13, 12:31 PM   #7
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I know the latest craze is luber and I do love a luber, but I don't love what seems to be double the cost for a kit, or the potential of sacrificed ride quality if you try to cheat the lift. Plus, I'm rocking a brand new inverted Y set up and don't feel like throwing it for a loop. I'm thinking that I'll go the opposite of the crowd and keep her at the stock height for simplicity's sake.
You're on the money with your thinking I'd say. The new Y-linkage is reason enough in fact. Although, if you really wanted a lifted truck (which it doesn't sound like you necessarily do) you could always find a taker for the new-ish hardware.
That said, keeping it stock is the next best thing. And the prices ARE higher for a lifted suspension. And should be. Not because each component is necessarily that much more expensive, but that there are way more things to buy/do/think about when lifting.
Simplicity is good.

Ride-wise though, there is no real correlation any more. A "stock" replacement setup does not mean it either rides like stock (not that great), or better than stock. So it's good that you're asking the question now.
I haven't personally ridden in a rig with this kit on it, so can't help with that recommendation. I would expect it to ride at least as good as stock (that's the hope and expectation), but you can't assume either. I've had stock replacement springs before, and they rode like crap. Way worse than stock in fact.


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I'm looking for a Buick - Bronco ride.
Sorry. Not going to happen.
Not with off-the-shelf parts anyway. Unless I've missed something in the parts currently available, that kind of ride is just not an option. Except with custom made springs and custom valved shocks, and a strict weight-reduction and height reduction regimen.
I have owned 6 Buicks and loved most of them, including the current one.

You can have a very good Bronco-ride of course (For a Bronco...). But you can't have one that rides that well. But you can still find a happy medium I think.
I realize you might have been just taking a bit of poetic license with your wording, but I thought I'd throw my opinion in there too, with my own little exaggerated opinion.


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This thing will be a mall crawler, cruise night cruiser. In fact, my A/T's will be replaced with H/L's. Eventually, I'd like to add at the least a front sway bar. I do currently have the big bearing HD leaf package on the Bronco.
Anti-swaybars are good. Let's you go with the softest rate spring you can find, let the shocks lighten up just a bit, and still have friendly cornering characteristics.
You may end up with bars at both ends, but I'd be very curious to see how one-only works at each end too.
I think we sell more pairs than individuals, but I could be wrong on that. I think ultimately having both ends is better, but that's only theory. Not from personal experience.


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I'm looking for input here. Every Bronco provider says their shocks are valved for EB's. Anyone have experience with JBG shocks? Should I forgo the JBG shocks in favor of say Bilsteins?
Shock performance is not only hit-or-miss, but is probably the thing most prone to someone else's individual tastes and expectations not matching your own.
So again, good you're asking this now, rather than after the fact. Hopefully someone will have first-hand experience then, and can tell you what their feelings are on it.

All the shocks out there have people that like them, are indifferent regarding them, or hate them. Take your pick.
I think there are a lot of happy Bilstein users out there now. Including the ones using just the off-the-shelf 5100's and 5125's.
There are a lot of happy users too, that rolled-their-own, so to speak. By having the much more expensive 7100's custom valved.
The downside is that, in many cases at least, they didn't get it right the first time, so had to go through a couple of variations on the valving to get it right where they wanted. For THEIR particular needs/likes/preferences.
Oh, and then there's singles vs duals! But we won't go there right now.

Adjustable Rancho 9000's have a huge following as well. I'm a fan, but also didn't like the way the particular ones I had worked in all situations. I'm still going to try different part numbers to see if there are differences, but that's a long-term proposition for me. Gonna take awhile.


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I see the kit does not provide shackles...are they a must if I stay at stock height and the rig has low miles with no signs of abuse?
Most kits don't.
Nothing wrong with stock shackles in good condition. Only reason to change them out is if they're deteriorated sufficiently (rusted out) or you keep breaking them due to hard use.
The latter won't be an issue with yours it sounds like, so unless yours are rusted out shadows of their former selves, keep your stock ones and just replace the bushings.
Oh, that's the other reason for new shackles. Sometimes it's just easier to write the check than it is to remove that pesky inner sleeve if it's rusted in good enough! Ask around. You'll get an earful on that subject.


I love the way our kits are designed to work. But I'll be the first to tell a customer that they ride "firm, but not harsh" for a reason.
Even the stock height ones need to be somewhat of a careful compromise between comfort, load capacity, reliability, and on-road handling/safety.
What that means is that you can only go so soft before you start to get wallowy and unable to carry a set of tools or a weekend's worth of gear/parts/tools/food and get to the trailhead safely and with your family still happy about the drive.
At some point then, soft is bad for a commercially available suspension for a 4000+ lb truck. Period.
The way ours (and likely many others) are designed to work, you get the best of those characteristics, with a little leeway for the end-user (back to that in a minute), including more potential wheel travel than stock, but with a street handling character that usually overcomes the need for anti-swaybars.

The "leeway" I mentioned is an option you have with 9, 10, and 11 leaf packs that would not be as easy to accomplish with fewer leaves.
You can remove two or three leaves to help keep an empty and light Bronco from riding high in the rear, and also soften up the ride.

So going with the softest riding front coils and removing a few rear leaves (because only YOU know how you're going to use the truck), and sourcing the shocks with the best ratings from the most users, and you could get as close as you're ever going to get to a "good riding" Early Bronco.
The shock choice will probably include at least a passing glance to the adjustables, or finding a custom-valve setting you might like on a set of Bilsteins. Duff has always claimed one of the best riding shocks for EB's as well. Might be worth getting a few opinions on those as well.
But I bet that, while the choice of springs will likely be a reasonable result the first time, the choice of shocks will very likely involve several attempts until you find the one you like best.

After all, only you can make that determination in the end.

Best of luck at it too. And even though that convoluted mess was practically guaranteed to add to the confusion, I hope that helped a bit anyway.

Paul

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Soon to be 5.0 w/ NV3550 and NP241 and whatever other parts are stuffed in the cab, storage room and garage, waiting to be installed.

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Old 07/10/13, 12:32 PM   #8
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Good call Chicago.
Hmm, I hear a "mini Mass Buy" in the works!

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Old 07/10/13, 10:54 PM   #9
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The '77 front sway bar helps street driving manners and of course is original. One of the mounting brackets was welded to all '77 front axles. The original springs have several issues. If you have the 4900lb. GVW pkg. the rear sits 2"-3" higher than the front. The overly soft coils bottom out regularly and need about a 2" lift to render a decent stance. The rear springs ride like crap and those are the ones your butt is sitting on. The 10 or 11 leaf pack would help a lot there. I bought my '77 new in Chicago, actually Libertyville, and got it to Az before the road salt could destroy it. There is member who did a great job restoring a '77 and has pictures of the engine compartment the helped me remember how mine looked when new.
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Old 07/11/13, 07:26 AM   #10
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Good call Chicago.
Hmm, I hear a "mini Mass Buy" in the works!

Paul
As Ops Mgr here at work, I could receive several sets of leafs, via skid, if it worked out to be cheaper and the interest to co-ship was there.

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Old 07/11/13, 09:12 AM   #11
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Paul,

I was being a bit poetic with my Buick comment. However, being realistic, going off road is far fetched where I'm located, let alone, going somewhere to go off road.

I've been perusing the site for further info and most everything I came across pertained to lifted rigs. I had also noticed there's been some sagging springs being sold out there as well. Ironically, out of the entire board, I could only find two members who had mentioned running JBG stock style leaf replacements and not much feedback.

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I'm running stock JBG rear leaf springs. They're better than what I was driving--add-a-leafs and 8 shock absorbers on a 2.5" lift--by a wide margin. JBG springs are the heavier-bigger rear axle style. They won't ride like a Buick:-) I looked at shipping plus the extra cost of the 10-pack leafs and chose JBGs to save money at the time. If I had it to do over again, I'd pay the extra money and order a pair from WH. If you find yourself in LaPorte County, IN soon, I'll take you for a spin.
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I'm running stock JBG rear leaf springs. They're better than what I was driving--add-a-leafs and 8 shock absorbers on a 2.5" lift--by a wide margin. JBG springs are the heavier-bigger rear axle style. They won't ride like a Buick:-) I looked at shipping plus the extra cost of the 10-pack leafs and chose JBGs to save money at the time. If I had it to do over again, I'd pay the extra money and order a pair from WH. If you find yourself in LaPorte County, IN soon, I'll take you for a spin.
Mind if I ask what shock absorber you're running on your rig?

I've seen some complain about the rough ride of an 11 pack, only to find out it was their shocks.

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Old 07/12/13, 12:51 AM   #15
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I recently replaced the shocks, springs and bushings on my stocker with the kit from WH. All of the components seem top notch and customer support was great when I had a few questions. It's a super complete kit. The only hitch I had was that the rear of my truck sat a little high with the WH leafs. I removed a leaf which was a bit of a hassle but it looks right now. Not sure if that was because of not having a hard top or something else. This is my first Bronco, so I can't compare the ride to other kits, but it rides a lot better than it did with the old 5 leaf springs and shocks. The thing that really made a difference on the street was the front sway bar that I also got from WH. Night and day handling difference on the street. Not sure that a rear bar would help all that much.
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