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Old 09/22/13, 01:24 PM   #1
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Clutch linkage questions

I'm hooking my clutch pedal back up, and between the franken-fab arrangement prior, and me not having the best recollection of taking it apart, I need a second opinion.

A diagram would help, but I haven't found one that really shows what I'm working with.

From the pedal to the lever, I should be in good shape. Today I got a new JB fab clutch rod and bushings installed and it seems to fit fine now.

I have one bolt holding a bracket on the bell housing. A second hole with sleeve appears to at one time allowed a bolt to attach to the block. Mine however has no hole for this second bolt. As it is now, that bracket is "floating" in space bolted on one end and the other is holding on the lever rod that transfers the pedal motion. (The one with the felt washer and round bushings.)

An additional bit of info is I have an 80's 302, and I believe the '70 Bronco's original bell housing.

Does anyone have any ideas if this is fine to use or not? Personally I'd like it to be a bit more secure.

Additionally, I hooked up the rod that goes from the lever to the paddle for the throwout bearing. It has a large D shaped hole, and the lever has a round pin. The cotter pin holds in on, but there is slop in it, what am I supposed to do there?

Thanks for any assistance, if photos are needed I'll try to grab some, I forgot to take my camera when I was working earlier.

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Old 09/22/13, 01:41 PM   #2
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At some point, Ford stopped casting the hole for the clutch linkage into the blocks. I'm assuming because everything went to hydro clutches and it was no longer necessary.

If you have one of these blocks, you'll need the adapter bracket that Wildhorses sells:

http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product...ersion_Bracket

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Old 09/22/13, 04:19 PM   #3
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Thanks Justin, that looks like it will fix my issue. Didn't even think to look for a conversion part.

Anyone have tips on the push rod interface being sloppy?


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My adapter bracket is on it's way.

Is there supposed to be looseness in the connection between the D shaped hole in the push rod and the round pin on the lever?

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Old 09/25/13, 09:22 AM   #5
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My adapter bracket is on it's way.

Is there supposed to be looseness in the connection between the D shaped hole in the push rod and the round pin on the lever?
Do you have the clutch return spring installed? Goes between the little hole in the end of the clutch fork and a corresponding little hole on the back side of the motor frame mount.

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Do you have the clutch return spring installed?
Yes, I pretty much have everything in place, I'm just concerned with the mismatch between the large odd shaped hole on the push rod being held by a smaller round rod on the lever. It's not a smooth interface. The rest of my linkages are nice and tight, except that one.

Here, I drew a sketch of what is going on there.
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Yes, I pretty much have everything in place, I'm just concerned with the mismatch between the large odd shaped hole on the push rod being held by a smaller round rod on the lever. It's not a smooth interface. The rest of my linkages are nice and tight, except that one.

Here, I drew a sketch of what is going on there.
There is a bushing that goes in that joint, is that your issue? I actually think I have an extra one in my parts box I'm not bothering returning, I could drop it in the mail to you if you like.

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
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There is a bushing that goes in that joint, is that your issue? I actually think I have an extra one in my parts box I'm not bothering returning, I could drop it in the mail to you if you like.
Yes! That is my issue. It never had one to begin with so I didn't know what went on there. At least it's not as bad as I feared thinking I had mismatched parts.

I'll try to find one local, but so far NAPA doesn't list anything like that. I may have to take you up on your offer if I can't find it quicker. I appreciate it either way though, thanks.

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Is this it?


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Is this it?

Can't tell for sure just from pic. I think this is it:

http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product..._Bushings_Pair

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
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Can't tell for sure just from pic. I think this is it:

http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product..._Bushings_Pair
Belay that, might indeed be this:

http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product...sh_Rod_Bushing

I'd have to go look at assembly again to be sure.

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
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Second one is correct.

As you can see, it's not hard to imagine why very few people have ever seen an original one on their trucks!
The clutch is under quite a bit of pressure and those things wear out quickly.

It may even still be a bit of a loose fit with the new one in there, but at least it won't be as bad as it is now.
Heck, once long ago I found a rubber grommet that I used in mine for a nice tight fit! Now that I think about it, that lasted for a long time. Maybe there's not as much pressure and wear as I was thinking?
Just grease everything up good too. Yeah, it collects dust and dirt, but I always like a well lubed linkage.

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I thought that bushing looked a little cheesy too. You can replace all the bushings in the clutch linkage including that eye with 3/8" heim joints. It makes the clutch operate smoother.

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Thanks guys.

Given what you said Paul, I think it might be worth my effort to try something a little different. It may or may not work, but for no more effort than it will take, it's worth a try.

It may be next week but I'll post back if it works. I don't want to get my hopes up till I measure the parts and see what kind of volume I have to work with.

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I thought that bushing looked a little cheesy too. You can replace all the bushings in the clutch linkage including that eye with 3/8" heim joints. It makes the clutch operate smoother.
Thanks, I hadn't thought of that, I may try that if my other idea doesn't work, or doesn't last long.

I got a JB fab rod from the pedal to the lever, it has those heim joints on it.

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