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Yeller

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The parallel is all about AS (Anti Squat). Links being parallel horizontally are very neutral. Makes the car feel planted in turns. It is not however ideal for a drag racing, it will perform like most IRS cars, reliant on inertia for a large amount of weight transfer. It does drift nice though lol. It is also very predictable.

Gary I tried, he’s bound and determined because of the packaging box he has created, you are correct that would be much more tunable. No offense Brian, love the build! Keep at, I love the build.
 
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HAHA! I'm good. I give it out alot, I can take it too! lol

If I had Gary's Torino I'd do it too! :)

I've seen his Torino and it's gonna be killer but he's got about a football field more space than I do to work with!
 

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Is ExcelCAD still floating around out there? If so, I'd set it up and use it to design the linkage.

A Watts shouldn't take any more room than a panhard bar, just more complicated and harder to make the low side chassis anchor rigid. How much wheel travel are we talking about, 5"-6" total? Not sure that there is much to gain with a Watts unless you just can't make the panhard bar long enough.
Than again, I'd go with a WOB link before I'd do a Watts, just because no one has ever heard of it. Unless you're a reader of Allan Staniforth's.
 

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I used to run a WOB link on my 72 2wd K5 with the factory control arms, I felt it handled much better than the factory track bar. Didn’t know at the time what it was called but it worked lol
 

TAC71

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Read about that WOB link when I worked at a race shop years ago in a Racecar engineering book. Never seen one being used in person though.
Just because the aftermarket sells a lot suspension kits and frames doesn't mean they work. I have had to modify many of them to get them to perform. Granted a portion of them were installation faults or wrong setups.

To be clear Brian, are you after cornering or more light to light blitzes?

With that much engine and little weight in the rear you will want some mechanical advantage on the rear for traction IMO.
 
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I want BOTH! :)

Compromises... always compromises!

I have no idea what WOB is, WOT yes! lol


Gary- I want to be able to move quickly from one farm to the next :) but I want it corner really good. I can see having more fun corning than the few times I will try 1/4 ET's.

thanks
 
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I can get the IC towards the front of the bellhousing but nowhere near the top of it.

Slight angles like less than 2deg on the lower and it gets the top & bottom links to intercept towards the front of the trans.


I agree that I will be able to spend a lot of time making smoke and not move but I'm not that interested in setting there going nowhere.

I would like it to launch and corner.

6" max travel in the rear. Most of that is to lower & level it for parking and to mactch the front.
 
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I agree that I will be able to spend a lot of time making smoke and not move but I'm not that interested in setting there going nowhere.
Don’t make the mistake that Paul (Fabrats) did. Nice long smoky burnout in the shop. Really made a mess. Fine black dust everywhere. :eek:

I have no idea what WOB is, WOT yes!
Related, WOT=WOB Wild ole Bronco. ;)
 
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Ok...

I'm going to shorten the lwrs & uppers, try to get more than 35 deg on the uppers, lose more bed space and build in some adjustability for IC mainly.

I haven't been out in the shop but to take pics for Gary 3 days ago except this afternoon loading up a 5.0 & AOD that I'm hauling to Oregon on Wed.
 

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My friend Sherman just sent me this link with 'Triaged's ExcelCAD files: https://www.crawlpedia.com/4_link_suspension.htm Cutting electrons always seems smarter to me than cutting metal, but maybe you're well past this point?

I have a simple graphic showing how to fabricate a WOB link, but I'm doubting it's notational correctness and need to confirm that it is notated correctly. I'll post it if it is. Been thinking to model it in SW just to see what kind of travel path it produces.
 
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We're waiting... ;) be fun see it mocked up.

Only need 4 1/2" travel !!
Gone for a couple days then...
 
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So I'm in Longview with my brother and he says "what are ya doing"? ... as I'm kneeling in the parking lot measuring the upper and lower links of a TJ... hahaha!!! ;)

Looks like their links aren't any longer than what I'm putting on!!!

Lwr is sloped up at about 2 or 3% and the top looked level... lol
 
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Nothing like a few days off to get ya thinking about running a pan hard bar... My frame behind the trans is 6 inches wider than a stock Bronco frame. I could stuff a long panhard in there... I know I've been trying to save all available space for a tank but ...
 
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