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New / Old broncos being made from new parts.

Slowleak

Bronco Guru
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Theoretically, a person could buy a frame from TDK, have them stamp it with a known VIN, or possibly even a made up VIN. Then throw a new body it on it, order a warranty plate and door post sticker from Marti and build it out. Then take it to a state, such as Georgia that does not require a title, write up a bill of sale, get it registered, and sell it. Meanwhile a Bronco could be registered in another state to an unknowing owner under the same VIN. It’s no different than VIN cloning which is a big problem with stolen cars. That’s why frame stamping, or reusing a VIN, is illegal unless you go thru the DMV process.
 

bgaller

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I think the federal law is fairly clear on this that it's not illegal if it's not done in an attempt to defraud or further theft. It seems like it comes down to each state and what they allow:

If the replacement of a certification label that contains a VIN or the altering of a stamped VIN is not for the purpose of furthering theft or defrauding anyone, such action may not constitute a criminal violation of this statute. However, since Title 18 of the U.S.C. is administered by the U.S. Department of Justice, it may be advantageous for a consumer to present such questions to that agency before a VIN is removed, obliterated, tampered with, or altered.

Consumers should also be aware that 18 U.S.C. § 2321 makes it a crime to buy, receive, possess, or obtain control of, with intent to sell or otherwise dispose of, a motor vehicle or motor vehicle part, knowing that an identification number for such motor vehicle or part has been removed, obliterated, tampered with, or altered. However, this statute contains exceptions. One of these covers situations in which Other Federal Statutes May Make It a Crime to Change a VIN the removal, obliteration, tampering, or alteration is not a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 511. Furthermore, one exception to 18 U.S.C. § 511 covers situations in which a person “restores or replaces an identification number for such vehicle . . . in accordance with applicable State law.” In light of this, consumers should check with their State’s Attorney General before removing, obliterating, tampering with, or altering a VIN or replacing a certification label that contains a VIN.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/vin_errors.pdf

Also, many states don't care about the frame VIN, they care about the PUBLIC VIN, which on these trucks is on the drivers B pillar. It's a little weird because you can obviously buy those from Marti, so I think their approach is flawed.
 

DirtDonk

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For Broncos it’s only on the B pillar after 69, or maybe it’s 70. Prior to that it was only on the warranty plate or the frame.
 

sprdv1

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REBEL
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Mar 8, 2007
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Theoretically, a person could buy a frame from TDK, have them stamp it with a known VIN, or possibly even a made up VIN. Then throw a new body it on it, order a warranty plate and door post sticker from Marti and build it out. Then take it to a state, such as Georgia that does not require a title, write up a bill of sale, get it registered, and sell it. Meanwhile a Bronco could be registered in another state to an unknowing owner under the same VIN. It’s no different than VIN cloning which is a big problem with stolen cars. That’s why frame stamping, or reusing a VIN, is illegal unless you go thru the DMV process.

yeah I can see that
 

DHaun

New Member
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Aug 8, 2022
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The textured powder coating on the frame rail is heavy texture, and probably near impossible to read the VIN even on an original frame without destroying the coating.
This is the passenger frame rail to the right of the engine.

Velocity Frame Rail textured
I am very familiar with Velocity, they do not powder coat over the VIN number on original frames. Most of their builds are on original frames as well.
 
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