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How to seal a Dana 20, Step-by-step (and other useful Dana 20 links)

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Back from my trip so I thought i would bring this back up to the top. I guess if its going to slow down I'll start writing the individule sections. If anyone want to take on a couple sections, just post up so we don't all work the same ones.
 
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How to seal a Dana 20, Step-by-step

As I have said previously in a few of “my Dana 20 leaks” threads I thought it would be a good idea to get all these ideas organized in to one thread. So what I would like to do is first outline all the leak points in the Dana 20. Then sort them in order so that as someone is putting a Dana 20 back together and installing it they can follow the order of the “fixes” in this thread. I will then populate the next posts in this thread to incorporate the suggested fixes as they hopefully pore in on this thread. As you can see I have reserved several of the first responses for this purpose. That way when people start searching for how to seal up a leak in their Dana 20 and stumble across this thread they don’t have to dig thru the entire thread to get the info, it will be on the first page. I will try to give credit to the people who suggest the repairs and information and reference the post number that they suggested it on.

So here’s the first stage, identify the leak points and arrange them in the correct order. Off the top of my head here is what I came up with:
- Hardware (see post #2)
- Trans to adaptor (see post #3)
- Adaptor to T-case (see post #4)
- Rear output shaft to rear output yoke (under the nut) (see post #5)
- Rear output yoke to rear output housing seal (see post #6)
- Speedometer connection to rear output housing (see post #7)
- Shift rail seals, shift rail bolts, rear shift rail caps (see post #8)
- Rear output housing to T-case housing (see post #9)
- Idler shaft to T-case housing (see post #10)
- Front output shaft to front output yoke (under the nut) (see post #11)
- Front output yoke to front output housing seal (see post #12)
- Front output housing to T-case housing (see post #13)
- Front bearing preload cover to T-case (see post #14)
- Drain plug (see post #15)
- Inspection cover (see post #16)

Ok, so there is 15 places, Let me know if I missed any.

I’ll edit this post to reflect what we end up deciding is the list, the order and what post number covers the subject. I will reserve the first 20 posts to make sure I got enough to expand in to.

Let’s here it! What leak points did I miss and what order should they be in? Got a better title for wht I did list? Let’s here that too.


Added info from Viperwolf1 from post#24

I just added links to the individule posts to this post and from each individule post to their information source posts. I'll keep doing this as I add more information.
 
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Hey guys,

In post 5 "Rear output shaft to rear output yoke (under the nut):" is there an issue here like in post 11 " Front output shaft to front output yoke:"? Is it pretty much the exact same thing or am I off base here? Let me know.

I would think that the appearant leak would be worse on the front ooutput than the rear output because the front is under the fluid level. I just don't remember if sealing this area on the upper is also part of the drill.

Thanks,

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Hey guys,

In post 5 "Rear output shaft to rear output yoke (under the nut):" is there an issue here like in post 11 " Front output shaft to front output yoke:"? Is it pretty much the exact same thing or am I off base here? Let me know.

I would think that the appearant leak would be worse on the front ooutput than the rear output because the front is under the fluid level. I just don't remember if sealing this area on the upper is also part of the drill.

Thanks,

Dan

Common guys, I know one of you have to have the answer for this.
 

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You are correct in that this leak usually only occurs on the lower front shaft. Gravity and the (normally) static shaft allow this leak to happen. However, I always put an o-ring at the rear just in case. In a nose-up situation with minimal shaft speed the leak can occur on the rear shaft.
 
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Thanks Viper, I added that info to post #5.

Anyone got any input for: Rear output housing to T-case housing? I typically just use a bead of silicone there. The only time I have ever experienced a leak there was when the hardware had came loose.
 

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Thanks Viper, I added that info to post #5.

Anyone got any input for: Rear output housing to T-case housing? I typically just use a bead of silicone there. The only time I have ever experienced a leak there was when the hardware had came loose.

There is a gasket there but I always also use a thin coating of rtv or something similar on it. It doesn't take much to seal that up.
 
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How to seal a Dana 20, Step-by-step

As I have said previously in a few of “my Dana 20 leaks” threads I thought it would be a good idea to get all these ideas organized in to one thread. So what I would like to do is first outline all the leak points in the Dana 20. Then sort them in order so that as someone is putting a Dana 20 back together and installing it they can follow the order of the “fixes” in this thread. I will then populate the next posts in this thread to incorporate the suggested fixes as they hopefully pour in on this thread. As you can see I have reserved several of the first responses for this purpose. That way when people start searching for how to seal up a leak in their Dana 20 and stumble across this thread they don’t have to dig thru the entire thread to get the info, it will be on the first page. I will try to give credit to the people who suggest the repairs and information and reference the post number that they suggested it on.

So here’s the first stage, identify the leak points and arrange them in the correct order. Off the top of my head here is what I came up with:
- Hardware (see post #2)
- Trans to T-case adaptor housing (see post #3)
- Trans output shaft to Adaptor seal (see post #4)
- Rear output shaft to rear output yoke (under the nut) (see post #5)
- Rear output yoke to rear output housing seal (see post #6)
- Speedometer connection to rear output housing (see post #7)
- Shift rail seals, shift rail bolts, rear shift rail caps (see post #8)
- Rear output housing to T-case housing (see post #9)
- Idler shaft to T-case housing (see post #10)
- Front output shaft to front output yoke (under the nut) (see post #11)
- Front output yoke to front output housing seal (see post #12)
- Front output housing to T-case housing (see post #13)
- Front bearing preload cover to T-case (see post #14)
- Drain plug (see post #15)
- Inspection cover (see post #16)

Ok, so there is 15 places, Let me know if I missed any.

I’ll edit this post to reflect what we end up deciding is the list, the order and what post number covers the subject. I will reserve the first 20 posts to make sure I got enough to expand in to.

Let’s here it! What leak points did I miss and what order should they be in? Got a better title for wht I did list? Let’s here that too.


Added info from Viperwolf1 from post#24

Well, I just finished up the last writup in the begining of this thread. I will be editing the first post to reflect a "completed" tech thread.

Please continue to proof read and provide suggestions for the continued improvement of this tech article.

thanks for your input,

Dan
 

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I just ran across this thread in my efforts to understand what could be causing my t-case leak (hopefully the last in my quest to address all of the fluid leaks my truck has had). I have to say this is probably the best, most helpful thread I have ever run across and want to thank the guys that came together to create it. Well done guys and thank you. Definitely bookmarking this one.

- F
 
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Aw shucks, it was nothing....... Except 10's of hours of reasearch and writing ;) Thanks for the comment. Glad to see someone getting something from it. BTW, did you have any trouble finding this thread? If you searched for this info using some search string that didn't get this thread right off the bat I want to know so I can add the tags to it.

I honestly thought there would be allot more comments and interest in this thread when I created it.

Dan
 

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I found it no problem, but I never use the search function within the CB site. Rather, I google search using 'classic bronco xxxxx' with x being whatever I am looking for at the time. It will return a series of classicbronco.com threads that are more relevant to what I get when I search within the CB site. That is how I found your post - easy as can be.

Thanks - F
 

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Aw shucks, it was nothing....... Except 10's of hours of reasearch and writing ;) Thanks for the comment. Glad to see someone getting something from it. BTW, did you have any trouble finding this thread? If you searched for this info using some search string that didn't get this thread right off the bat I want to know so I can add the tags to it.

I honestly thought there would be allot more comments and interest in this thread when I created it.

Dan


I used this thread when I rebuilt mine and I'm back to reference it again because I have a leak from what looks like the shims on the front bearing retainer. I just added fluid the other day and noticed a small puddle on my floor the next day. Still haven't driven it yet.

I'm going to drain the fluid and try again. I used the copper spray gasket that was suggested and I sealed every bolt so I must have missed something to have such a large leak.

Thank you for putting this together for us
 

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I used this thread when I rebuilt mine and I'm back to reference it again because I have a leak from what looks like the shims on the front bearing retainer. I just added fluid the other day and noticed a small puddle on my floor the next day. Still haven't driven it yet.

I'm going to drain the fluid and try again. I used the copper spray gasket that was suggested and I sealed every bolt so I must have missed something to have such a large leak.

Thank you for putting this together for us
Make sure the front output shaft rear cover is flat. It has a tendency to bend at the bolts, just like a valve cover or oil pan.
 
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And defiantly let us know what you find. If it is something that is not covered in the article then we will add it.

BTW, I just noticed this thread has had over 3500 views in the last couple years. Not bad, but an amazing amount of lurking ;)
 
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Hi Dan,
I appreciate your effort in putting this together.
It's a beautiful Saturday morning and I'm just reading this one last time before I go out and scrub the trans/tcase down one last time and start on this project.
I have a couple comments already with regards to finding this thread: I found it on my third search using the search function on the site with 'dana 20 shift rail seals,' but not 'Dana 20 rebuild'
Also, in your keywords, 'seap' and its variants should be changed to 'seep,' or at least 'seep' should be added.
Andy
 
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Thanks for the input Andy. I have added "seep seeps seeping rebuild rebuilt rebuilding sealing" to the list. Hope your project goes well and look forward to any input you have as you use this article.

To any and all using this article, please let us know how it worked for you. Even if you don't have any further input it will help to let others know that the article works and keep this from being too old to show up at the top of the list.

Dan
 

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Wasn't sure if I should put this here or as its own thread, but I'll keep it here because it was this thread that made my job easier, and hopefully keeping this information together is more helpful than the alternative.

This vehicle has only 36,000 miles on it. I am not trying to rebuild, but just reseal it. Therefore, my goal is to not tear it completely to pieces if I can help it. We’ll see…

1) Taking the unit out: The engine was out when I started… I dropped it with the crossmember on, onto a stump, then rolled it onto the ground. I wish I’d have drained both transmission and transfer case first to save a little bit of a mess.

2) Clean, clean, clean!
Scrape, wire brush, purple power, hose and wire brush, purple power, etc... I put a small screw in the breather hole of the transmission so it wouldn’t leak when I had it upside down.

3) Take apart the three 'main' assemblies – remove the transmission from the adapter (the adapter essentially is part of the transfer case – the input shaft is contained in the adapter).

Note: Not having a manual when I started (thanks to Viperwolf for fixing that), I removed the adapter from the transfer case first. This exposes the needle bearings that support the rear of the transfer case input shaft. There are 13. Be sure to keep track of them! I cleaned the gasket surface on the transfer case and taped a piece of cardboard over the hole to seal the insides from contamination, then finished cleaning the outside of the case that was obstructed by the adapter housing.

Note: If you intend to only remove one of these units from the vehicle and not the whole assembly (or removing them one at a time for weight concerns), remove the transmission from the adapter housing and leave the adapter and transfer case as a unit. This will ensure that you’re not trying to align the transfer case input shaft on needle bearings and cursing while you’re lying under your vehicle.

4) I worked on the transmission next: remove the input bearing retainer, replace the seal, and install with a new gasket, making sure all grit and grease are removed as you work. Check to see that the input shaft spins freely when you install the bearing retainer! Mine didn’t, and it turned out that I had not installed the seal deep enough into its seat. It was binding on the bearing. I coated the dry surfaces (inside the tube of the bearing retainer, and that part of the input shaft covered by the retainer) with assembly lube to prevent rust. I removed the top cover, cleaned the gasket surfaces, made a new gasket and reassembled. I used the aircraft sealer on all gaskets. As noted on other threads, most fasteners are through-holes in these cases, so I coated threads with gasket sealer.

5) Switch to the adapter. The seal is right in the middle of the housing. Set it on its front surface (so the transfer case input shaft is up), and remove the internal snap ring from the shaft, then remove the gear held on by that snap ring (mine slid off with hand pressure). Remove the external snap ring that holds the bearing into the housing. Then remove the shaft and its bearing (they are pressed together). I was again able to remove it with hand pressure after I wiped the casting above the bearing clean of built-up gunk. Turn the housing over and drive out the seal; install the new seal. Note this is the special seal with two springs and wiping surfaces. Make sure you put some assembly lube on the seal. Reinstall the bearing and shaft, then the external snap ring to hold it in the case, then the gear on the shaft and the internal snap ring. Put the assembly in a bag to keep it clean.

6) On to the transfer case. Remove the yoke nuts. Mine were clearly not on to the 125 pounds specified, removing any doubt that this hadn’t been worked on before. The yokes tapped off carefully with a hammer. I removed the rear output shaft housing next. The housing has a flange that inserts in the case. It’s a tight fit, so must come out straight, don’t try to tip it off, slide it out straight. Easier said than done. Clean gasket surfaces, remove and replace the output seal. I set this assembly aside in order to have a lighter case to work on. I sealed the case with more tape and cardboard

7) Shift rail seals were next. I popped the seals out by cutting into them with a cold chisel and carefully prying them out. I removed any burrs on the rail ends with a fine file and then installed the new seals, well-lubricated on the wiping edge and with a fine bead of sealer on the leading edge to prevent any oil from seeping around the seal.

8) Idler shaft ends. I pulled the retainer off and used a brass drift and hammer to move the shaft about ¼ inch towards the retainer side. After a thorough cleaning with brake cleaner, I then put a bead of sealer around both ends where the shaft meets the case and hammered it back to its original position, which should have introduced some sealer into that seam.

9) Lower end of the transfer case.
I did the back end first, the side with the shim pack. Remove, clean, install with aircraft sealer between each shim. Tedious. Put sealer on each cap screw before installing.
The front was easy – remove the yoke (there was an o-ring behind the washer), then the retainer, then the seal from the retainer. I found a gasket between the front of the seal and the retainer – anybody else find this? Install a new seal. I put a thin bead of sealer in the bottom of the retainer to make sure no oil gets around this seal. Replace the gasket and reinstall the retainer. Install the yoke, then add a bead of sealer to the junction between the yoke and the front output shaft. I added enough to fill up to the level of the washer, but not more. I didn’t want a mess in there. Install the nut and torque to specs.

10) Reseal inspection plate. Easy. Note that the four screws on the short ends (2 each end) are through-holes. Seal accordingly.

11) Install rear output shaft assembly to case. Install the yoke, add sealer between the yoke and the output shaft, then washer and nut. Torque to specs. Turn case so the input shaft hole is facing upwards. The transfer case will be on an angle because the rear output yoke holds the top end up. This is convenient for installing the needle bearings. Clean them and the cup in which they ride. Slather the cup liberally with grease. I used white lubriplate. As you clean each needle bearing, put it in the cup. Once 12 of them are in, arrange them properly in the race. The thirteenth one will not fall into place from the center of the cup outwards. You need to drop it into place from above. I used a weakly magnetized screwdriver to do this.

12) Install the adapter gasket, then the adapter, making sure you take care to insert the input shaft tail into the space among the needle bearings. Install the screws with thread sealant.

At this point, I taped over the front of the adapter, took the assembly out in the driveway and scraped and scrubbed one last time, then painted with two coats of black Rust-oleum. No primer. I wasn’t going to paint it at all, but given that it was already 5:00 and there was no way I was getting the drivetrain installed in the vehicle before the end of the day, I indulged. Much happier for it.

I’m going to install the transfer case first, then put in the transmission to save some weight when I lift that thing into place. Even with a jack, it’ll be a lot easier to maneuver.

I accomplished my goal of not tearing the thing entirely apart. Some would argue that after 50 years, I should have to inspect everything and start anew. I wasn’t worried about it; it wasn’t making any noises when I was running it at speed, so I figured I was okay. It was leaking, so I hope this solves my problems there. I used aircraft sealant on each side of each gasket, and ultra black permatex to seal threads and seals to housings.

I hope this account of my experience is a worthwhile addition to this thread and gives others an idea of the procedure. I've been working on old Fords for about 25 years as a hobby. I'm not an expert by any means, but do know my way around the basics of mechanics of this vintage vehicle and am way beyond novice. This is only the second transfer case I've ever worked on, the first being a divorced unit on a 59 Ford pickup. Besides the time, it's not a difficult procedure, just be sure to keep stuff clean on the inside!
If you’re curious as to how long this took me, from dropping the assembly from a vehicle that had no engine to painting it this evening: 20 hours. That’s a lot of scraping grease and scrubbing with Purple Power, plus an hour to paint.
 
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I think this is a great addition to this thread. If you have any links to things, like the manual you mentioned that too would be great to add to this thread. I think I will add some "additional information" links to the first post. Like if you were to take all of your experience and create a "how to remove and reinstall a Dana 20" thread, I would add a link to that. Hope your project works out well. Keep on posting!

Dan
 
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