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Pa PITT

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Man at my new job I priced some truck ''L E D's'' ..I was thinking I might do an experiment on trying to put some in my Bronco but the light was $55.00 my cost ea. and we also have a relay that plugs in line between the light and pigtail to make it flash better ..I guess it does the same thing as the Bosh 84/85/85/30 or what ever those no. are .. but that plug in relay was $18.00. ea. So scrap that ideal..back to the drawing board..
 

Broncobowsher

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The relay thing is there to add load. Modern LEDs draw so little power that they don't put the proper load on the flasher for them to work right. There are special flashers that work right with the low load LEDs, but if you don't use one then (you don't know what you are doing or have some special case) you need to fake the load for them to work right.

There are a LOT of LED kits out there. Many very poorly designed with no correct engineering to how an original light actually works. For example an original 1157 tail light bulb shines in all directions. The housing reflects (often poorly) that light toward the rear. Add in the Fresnel lens of the tail lamp and you have a nicely engineered light. Toss in a POS LED that has a handful of LEDs that shine straight out, you just lost all that reflected area and the function of the fresnel lens. Yea it functions, but nowhere near as good as it could. It just has a hot spot dead center with a little random scatter of light. Speaking of heat, LEDs don't like it. I have seen a few LED conversion bulbs that chunked out the potting. LEDs are great for low power applications. Once the wattage starts going up, heat disipation becomes an issue.

$55 your cost? WOW that has got to be some very special light (or more then likely going through too many middle men and has too much profit margin). I have bought some LED lights and full retail was never as high as $55 each.
 

nrramse

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I'm thinking of getting some for the backup lights. Are they brighter than OEM?

Has anyone tried LED signal lights with a heavy duty flasher (the kind meant for use when pulling a trailer)?

Newell
 

BLAZEOFGLORY

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Try www.superbrightleds.com I got all my LEDS from them side markers, rear red Brake,turn, sig, and back up bright white, even got the tag light led bulb, front amber bulbs and installed 2 resistors on the front ones to make all of them flash right, just use reg. heavy duty flasher, They say go red on rear and amber on front they offer 2 kinds go with the Narrow and the more lights in a bulb the brighter
 
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LEDCREATIONS

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there is a member on here that deals with led lights, maybe give him a shout out.

Saw the post :)

Thing with using LED bulbs from say superbrightleds.com is that they are cheaply made and will break over time.

Second standard LED bulbs are not bright enough to use esp. with the red tail housing.

Third you will need to install a load resistor so your flasher doesn't go ape shit when your turning.

I have seen LED flashers out now but havent used one yet.
On super brights website I saw this that would probably make enough light to use
http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-...ge&Page2Disp=/specs/1157_LED_spider_light.htm

Honestly I feel if you want LED tail lights you need something like what modern cars have(BMW, etc) Clear tail light lenses would help as well.

For me I plan on building a complete circuit board tail light setup with backup lights that is a direct plugin in for both my broncos. When I get around to it may be in a couple months of a year from now.
I don't plan on making them for people like I do for interior lights but who knows. It all depends on time it takes to build. If I don't sell them I will gladly show people how to make them on here.
 

Steve83

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Third you will need to install a load resistor...
A solid-state flasher isn't that expensive (maybe $10ea), and they're easy to find. Common flashers use the load (incandescent bulbs) as a ground for their timing, which is thermal. LEDs don't draw enough current for the older ones to work right. But a solid-state flasher uses electronics to time the flash, so even a tiny load (LEDs) is enough.
 

nrramse

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Autozone has some LED bulbs on the shelf. Not enough to do the whole truck, but I bought a couple of pairs anyhow. Here's what I learned:
- They're made by JamStrait
- The side marker bulbs (amber) seem to be about the same brightness as OEM but the dispersal is less. I think I will take them back.
- The rear bulbs (red) are pretty nice. The tail lights disperse just as well as the OEMs and are little brighter. The turn signals (and brakes) are not quite as bright as OEM but acceptable to me.
- I'm still using OEM signal lights on the front, but so far my heavy duty flasher is working okay. I plan to convert my side markers to signal lights someday, so maybe that will be enough load to make things work okay without switching flashers (yes I'm big cheapskate!).

Steve83 - I'm curious - what kind noise does the solid state flasher make? Have you tested them with LEDs?

Newell
 
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