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Detroit Truetrac installed - first impressions

xcntrk

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I had a pinion bearing failure and took the opportunity to upgrade my stock rear-end. I was looking for decent street traction with onroad manners being a top priority. I also wanted something solid and reliable that would do well off-road, yet didn't want to mess with selectable lockers with pumps or cables. I've had a Detroit auto-locker in a prior rig and although a full locker is superior off-road, it really sucked driving it on road. All that throttle steering and clicking & banging isn't where I want to go with my Bronco. So I installed a built third-member with all new gears, bearings, seals, and a Detroit Truetrac mechanical LSD. I also swapped in a set of 31 spline axles and rear disc brakes while I was at it.

The Truetrac is definitely a different animal. Inspecting the unit, it has a surprisingly small housing with a contained box of gears inside where the traction magic happens. Also unlike a conventional clutch based LSD which is more like an open diff with ability to lock-up, the Truetrac seems to be more locked with an ability to slip instead. On the jack stands, both wheels would turn in the same direction, and turning by hand I could not invoke a slip of the LSD.

On the road the interference from this LSD is entirely unnoticeable. There are no impacts with normal turning and powering in/out of curves, no obnoxious noise from the rear-end, and no noticeable transfer of power between the rear drive wheels. Only in a parking lot doing slow doughnuts at full steer-stop, only then did I get a little bit of a chip from the inner tire trying to lock up. The traction add on the road is significantly improved. As hard as I tried, I could not spin the inner tire. Instead, when you mash on the throttle accelerating out of a turn, you're quickly launched forward without the slightest hint of lost traction where you would have otherwise broke loose. With meaty 33x12.5 tires, it's almost scary how much traction is available. By all accounts this LSD is very well equipped for on-road use and I couldn't be happier with the performance on the street.

For off-road impressions, I headed up to my favorite drainage ditch up the road. It's just deep enough that when you hit it at an angle and wedge the Bronco in there, you'll end up with 1 rear tire and the opposite front tire in the air. Granted not a true off-road test but definitely good for evaluating traction when you have an open wheel. Obviously with an open rear diff, as soon at that tire leaves the ground you're done and have zero traction. With the Truetrac things work a bit differently. The LSD is designed to transfer power to the wheel with slip assuming that wheel has "some amount of resistance (traction)". In an open wheel situation where there is zero resistance, the LSD did what it could and the wheel with traction was grumbling, chirping, and flinging dirt but simply wasn't receiving enough percentage of power to clear the ditch. It wasn't until I depressed the brake enough to slow the open wheel that forced the transfer of power to the wheel with traction and let me crawl out of the ditch in 2wd. For off-road it's definitely a different driving style and from what I understand falls in-line with conventional LSD behavior (brake manipulation). I would say the LSD is likely best for snow, mud, or general slippery conditions. For rock-crawling where you end up with flexed out open-wheels, skip the LSD and go straight to a full locker.


Overall I'm really pleased by the Truetrac. Onroad the LSD adds some sport and performance with the noticeable improvement in traction with little to no side-affects. Off-road the LSD works well (certainly better then open) but falls short of a full locker counterpart. Personally I think I'm going to use a full auto-locker in the front to help compliment the LSD in the rear.

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KyleQ

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Very nice - I love the gear based limited slips. I have a Torsen (similar in design) in my Contour SVT and holy hell does it love to power through corners and seems like posi 90% of the time.

My other choice for a more aggressive l/s is a power-lok. If you like the L/S you will love the power-lok.
 

Heus33

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Nice review and great looking rig!

I had a locker on my first rig, open on the 2nd and Tracloc on the third.

I never 'needed' a locker for my mostly street cruising but hated the open diff. I think the Tracloc is a great diff for street rigs that want to do more without committing to a full locker.
 
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My other choice for a more aggressive l/s is a power-lok. If you like the L/S you will love the power-lok.

I thought the Power-Lok was at the top of the clutch based diffs, but was still inferior to mechanical LSD's? When the discs are new, they offer 100% lockup which is awesome, but as they wear so does their locking capability down to the point where a worn Power-Lok might as well be an open diff...

Depending on how they wear, might not be a bad option for me in the front. Heck for as often my rig sees 4wd those discs would probably last a lifetime... ;D
 

NYLES

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just pulled mine from the front...YES its a great diff just wouldnt get it done on the rocks! snow, ice street its hard to beat!
 

hmh800

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I think the OP is talking about the Detroit True-Trac as opposed to a Trac-Loc or Power-loc (both clutch-based if I'm not mistaken).
Thanks for a great write-up! I'm still on the fence regarding an ARB or True-Trac. I need to drive on the street in the snow a fair bit. Anyone with opinions of snow/ice manners with the True-Trac in the Bac?
 

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what specifically r u planning to use up front? any thoughts yet? i've been contemplating trutracs for the rear but not sure what to do up front. like the ARB set up but very expensive.
 

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I think the OP is talking about the Detroit True-Trac as opposed to a Trac-Loc or Power-loc (both clutch-based if I'm not mistaken).
Thanks for a great write-up! I'm still on the fence regarding an ARB or True-Trac. I need to drive on the street in the snow a fair bit. Anyone with opinions of snow/ice manners with the True-Trac in the Bac?

exactly what he's talking about, I ran tru trac around here 3 days on the street, grizz locked in the back in 4h youd never know the tru trac was in the front. Never even felt like it was there.
 
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xcntrk

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what specifically r u planning to use up front? any thoughts yet? i've been contemplating trutracs for the rear but not sure what to do up front. like the ARB set up but very expensive.
My first thought was to run a simple and cheap lunch box locker (full mechanical locker). Has zero adverse affect on road, for obvious reasons, then when you drop it in 4wd you have the best traction available.

But after thinking about it more, I'm not sure that's the best approach for me. I'm a little concerned about loss of maneuverability in the snow and slick stuff with a front locker and I'm not certain the rear LSD and front locker would match well together. Meaning the rear LSD calls for a little brake input to perform best whereas a locker is opposite requiring wheel spin to engage.

So all that said, now I'm considering a Power-Lok clutch based LSD for the front. The power-lok is capable of 100% lockup and still allows for decent maneuverability in the snow. The only downside to the Power-lok is the need for special additives (not a big deal) and the diminishing performance as the clutch discs wear. Fortunately for me in the front this diff wouldn't see enough use to worry about the discs wearing too much to affect performance.

Of course this all assumes I have a capable front axle to begin with! My 66 EB came with a stock Dana-30, so first thing first I need to swap in a D44. I can't touch the D30. If you stare at it too long it will snap a joint :(
 

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I went with the ARB in the rear and the tru trac in the front. I dont like to break things... In my last EB I had full lockers in both ends and it was terrible in off camber situations and hard to get turned in slick conditions. When it was dry I seemed to break something... I think that was more due to my youth and my gearing though.

My current setup has worked well in snow, mud and just about every situation. With a tap of the brake I get pretty good traction up front with the tru trac and I can unlock the rear if it is causing problems in snow or off camber.

Greg
 

KyleQ

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I thought the Power-Lok was at the top of the clutch based diffs, but was still inferior to mechanical LSD's? When the discs are new, they offer 100% lockup which is awesome, but as they wear so does their locking capability down to the point where a worn Power-Lok might as well be an open diff...

Depending on how they wear, might not be a bad option for me in the front. Heck for as often my rig sees 4wd those discs would probably last a lifetime... ;D

I've had one in the front of my 95' F150 for ~5 years now and it's still aggressive enough to chirp tires in 4wd on pavement, the truck twists when I turn sharp and try and move.

The power-lok is not like the trac-lok. The TL is just steel on clutch with a spring in the middle pushing them together. The power lok is a 4 pin ramp style LS as when one side is spinning the case half pushes the pin up and applies force to the clutches - nearly to a complete lockup.

I have yet to wear it out and I wheeled with 34" LTB's with a very heavy right foot - it's worked and FAR outlasted the TL in the rear. I've rebuilt the TL twice and it needs it again and the PL up front is still perfect.
 

KyleQ

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Thanks - the truetrac is my #1 choice for the rear of a tow rig, or anything driven on the street. Up front I'm thinking a lunchbox would work great on a tow rig - locked fronts pull straight, locked rears push through corners - so a limited slip rear and a locked front seems like a great combo.
 

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IMHO there is nothing better than the truetrac for both on and off road. If you are building for full time off road then I would go air lockers. I built a swamp buggy for the everglades and started out with open diffs. It didnt go so well as all of us know. I wanted to go full lockers but didnt have the $$$ to do so and one of the parts houses had the Truetracs on sale so I bought them. Man was I ever impressed! Now woods buggies typically do not run brakes, specially for the everglades because they stay wet and dont work but I had disk on the front so I used them and gutted the rear. Needless to say I only wished I had rear brakes on 1 occasion crossing a fire cut and that was only because I was in 2wd (having the rear brakes would have allowed me to slow down the tire that was in space and crawl out without having to use 4wd). What really impressed me was how well the vehicle did on hard surfaces in 4wd with steering bind, I had none. Dont ask me why but with the open diffs the thing would buck on tight turns in 4wde on packed gravel or blacktop but with the TT's it was almost as smooth and fluid like being in 2wd and from then on I rarely ever took it out of 4wd. I know everyone has their own use and driving style and maybe that is what fits mone but my 73 is getting TT's no matter what, even though it may never see any offroading in its first few years after resurection, it will be capable of it.
 
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