Hog Heaven

[lonesouth]

Man, we are going to be living in hog heaven in about 15 years.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014...pickup-explores-new-frontier/?intcmp=features

seems like everyone is coming up with a perfect transplant for our broncos. This one, 2.8L with 200hp and 350ftlb torque, thats 351 territory, but gotta be is the mid 20s mpg.

With chevy, ford and dodge jumping on the small diesel wagon, we're gonna be set!

 

[broncosam]

Something to add and in case it hasn't been mentioned here already. There was an article in our morning paper late last week saying for 2015 Dodge is going to offer a turbocharged V6 diesel in their half ton trucks. The article said the engine was rated at around 250 HP with 400 ft./lbs of torque, and an estimated 27 mpg. Those hp and torque estimates are a bit higher than the Powerstroke V8 that was in my 95 F250.

 

[bmc69]

Something to add and in case it hasn't been mentioned here already. There was an article in our morning paper late last week saying for 2015 Dodge is going to offer a turbocharged V6 diesel in their half ton trucks. The article said the engine was rated at around 250 HP with 400 ft./lbs of torque, and an estimated 27 mpg. Those hp and torque estimates are a bit higher than the Powerstroke V8 that was in my 95 F250.

Caught a glimpse of that engine on TV this morning in a report on the Chicago auto show. Very high-tech and complicated looking bit of machinery....looks pretty BIG in overall dimensions.

 

[rhino2104]

The issue with these is the same issue with swapping the diesels from the Jeep Liberties. It is going to be prohibitively expensive and complicated due to all of the extra sensors, wires, and electronic gizmos on it. I'm not saying that it couldn't be done just that it is going to be rather complicated if they will even fit between the fender wells.

 

[sprdv1]

the future is just around the corner.. thanks for posting

 

[lowbush]

Looks to be an updated 4B type series:

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/dodge/1109dp_new_cummins_four_cylinder_diesel_engine/

 

[lowbush]

The issue with these is the same issue with swapping the diesels from the Jeep Liberties. It is going to be prohibitively expensive and complicated due to all of the extra sensors, wires, and electronic gizmos on it. I'm not saying that it couldn't be done just that it is going to be rather complicated if they will even fit between the fender wells.

Half that crap can be cut out because most of it is emissions and the common-rail is a pretty self contained unit. The trouble man run into is that gas vehicles are usually missing some parts (like vacuum pumps) so you end up having to source parts that will work from a host of vehicles. Still not too hard but certainly not as easy as bolting EFI onto an early model engine that did not have it.

The real positive of this if it happens is that it will drive down the price of existing Cummins engines like the 4BT which has really gotten pretty price.

 

[rhino2104]

Fair enough. I'm just considering how the computer will react once you start removing all the emissions crap. Are there tuning options to delete those codes?

 

[lowbush]

Fair enough. I'm just considering how the computer will react once you start removing all the emissions crap. Are there tuning options to delete those codes?

Well the good part is that common rail won out as the high pressure rail system (thank goodness) and it's a pretty self contained unit. Diesels are 02 starved not fuel starved so very few incorporate 02 sensors, which means most of the fuel delivery system is on top of the engine. Given the common rail being fairly self contained that means you just grab the box and go. The other parts are pretty much EGR and exhaust fluid (I know it sounds like Headlight fluid). But these if they have sensors to monitor them at all don't kill the engine if they are not reporting, they may provide a code but many don't. Most diesels don't have a traditional loop like gas engines, where they close the loop once the vehicle has been running, rather most diesels close a temperature loop. So it's more like a choke than an EFI loop.

 

[rhino2104]

Gotcha. I don't know a whole lot about diesels and especially the newer ones. I was just figuring that they were like newer gas engines with all sorts of electronics that'll kill or severely hamper your engine if they aren't reporting right.

 

[lowbush]

Gotcha. I don't know a whole lot about diesels and especially the newer ones. I was just figuring that they were like newer gas engines with all sorts of electronics that'll kill or severely hamper your engine if they aren't reporting right.

We are not there yet but it's probably not too far off, it was not long ago that they did not even need electricity after they where started. I remember I used to have a Blazer with the 6.2 Detroit diesel and the alternator went, I did not even notice until the sun set and I turned on the lights which quickly dimmed until they went out. Made for an interesting ride down the turnpike while we raced the days last light. Things have certainly changed quick in the diesel world.

I tell you a good cheap diesel swap for the Bronco that people often overlook is the 6.5 Detroit backed by a 700r4, people overlook the 6.2 and 6.5 because they cant be pushed much past 350 HP, but thats a good HP rating for these little trucks anyways. You can literately pick up a running 6.5 4x4 drive train for $100 at the right place.

 

[lonesouth]

Fair enough. I'm just considering how the computer will react once you start removing all the emissions crap. Are there tuning options to delete those codes?

I figure if Garry can create a plug and play OBDII harness from an explorer, it can't be that much more difficult to cut out the crap from other engines. I'm betting all it takes is the right software.

 

[roundhouse]

I thought Chevy already cancelled the Colorado canyon?

And ford already makes a diesel 5 speed crew cab straight axle ranger

They just don't sell it here
And use the lame excuse that they can't meet emissions

V W , Audi, Mercedes , FiatJeep and BMW have figured it out and sell em here


The newer diesels are way way too complicated to even consider owning after the warranty expires
And thy don't get the good MPG like the older ones

We have a 2000 VW Tdi
It gets 40+ every tank
The new 2013 vW diesels don't get anywhere close to that
Y'all compared the price of injectors for a IDI 7.3 verses a 6.0 ?
Nice to see some small diesels available though


I have a 95 4Runner with the Toyota 1KZT 3.0 liter turbo diesel and 5 speed

It's a great engine.
Would be perfect for a EB

 

[lowbush]

The newer diesels are way way too complicated to even consider owning after the warranty expires

In my opinion they are no more complicated than the newer direct injection gas engines that are on the market. In my opinion it's much like when EFI was new, there was a learning curve and then once we got over it, they where pretty easy to modify and adapt. The real problem is that the computers on cars are closed boxes there has been a push to force them to open up the code so that people can modify it but it has not been well received. That being said there are efforts like DIYEFI to replace the closed engine management solutions. Which certainly simplifies things.

http://www.diyefi.org/