I have a 67 bronco with a 289, and I can get the 351w, a4od and t case, along with any electronics I will need from a 1996 f350 for $400. I have heard people say that an efi 351 will need a mustang intake to clear it under the hood, and they use the mustang throttle body and electronics. I want to use as much of the f350 parts as possible to save money. Will the tb from the 351 fit on a mustang intake? Or is there any way I can make the motor fit with a 3in body lift and cowl hood? I know the deck height of the 351 is about an inch taller than a 289/302.
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1996 f350 drivetrain into 67 bronco
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Other than the 351 or really not going to fit much else into a bronco at least not cheaply. A few people have made the 351 EFI engines fit with body lifts and cowl hoods. But its easier to use the car stuff. The 5.8 TB will not fit on a mustang intake the trucks use a dual TB and the cars use a single TB.
The transmission and Tcase combo is to wide to fit in a bronco The transmission should be a E4OD not a AOD. Ive heard C6's were still used sometimes as well but the t case still wont fit. If your real lucky it its a 4R70W but in either case you'll probably need a aftermarket controller for the E4OD or the 4R70W.
There are t cases that can be used but still more money and driveshaft mods will be needed.
In any case I dont see you saving any money on this swap by trying to use all the F250 stuff.
Other than the 351 or really not going to fit much else into a bronco at least not cheaply. A few people have made the 351 EFI engines fit with body lifts and cowl hoods. But its easier to use the car stuff. The 5.8 TB will not fit on a mustang intake the trucks use a dual TB and the cars use a single TB.
The transmission and Tcase combo is to wide to fit in a bronco The transmission should be a E4OD not a AOD. Ive heard C6's were still used sometimes as well but the t case still wont fit. If your real lucky it its a 4R70W but in either case you'll probably need a aftermarket controller for the E4OD or the 4R70W.
There are t cases that can be used but still more money and driveshaft mods will be needed.
In any case I dont see you saving any money on this swap by trying to use all the F250 stuff.
Terkish
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Not sayin it can't be done but it would take a lot of modification to run a truck efi intake system.
About a 3rd down the page it talks about and shows how a truck intake is different from the mustang intake. and the throttle body's are completely different.
Hope this helps
http://www.bcbroncos.com/fuelefi.html
About a 3rd down the page it talks about and shows how a truck intake is different from the mustang intake. and the throttle body's are completely different.
Hope this helps
http://www.bcbroncos.com/fuelefi.html
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But a 96 F350 with a 351 should have a roller 351, which would be nice, especially if you could get it for half that $400
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Here is the fun and games of it...
The 351 fits. Been done thousands of times. No big deal.
The truck EFI intake is silly tall. Look how far it sits above the valve covers. No go to the Bronco and look at the valve covers of the 302, and remember that a 351 sits about an inch taller (the carb throttle linkage is really close to the valve cover of a 351). I have seen the truck intake used once. It took just the right hood, really long and tall cowl induction hood, not just any cowl induction hood. The throttle linkage is at the front of the engine and it was still rubbing the bottom of the hood. And this was after putting ½" of body shims on top of a 3" body lift.
Next up, the EFI. '96 is the first year of EEC-V and OBD-II. This expects fuel level readings (with the '96 sender and gauge), Four O2 sensors to monitor the cats, and a bunch of other stuff. The Explorer EEC-V is a lot more popular and is getting support. Have not seen anything for the truck computer and harness. Realisticly it would just be easier to revert back to an EEC-IV Mustang based EFI if EFI is in your plans
The E4OD is a big transmission, and long. A Bronco really doesn't have the wheelbase for such lengths. A quicky check is the E4OD has a 20" pan while the 4R70W has a 20" case. And the 4R70W pushes the transfer case back enough to cause driveshaft angle issues with only a minor lift.
Finally that BW chain drive transfer case. It is long and wide. Even the fixed yoke version (I think that is what you probably have) is nearly twice as long as the Bronco Dana 20. There just isn't room for a rear driveshaft. And the width part of it. The case is wider than the outside of the frame rail, muchless fitting inside the frame. I have seen one in a Bronco. To do so square tubing was scabbed onto the outside of the frame and the frame was removed to make clearance for the transfer case. That still wasn't enough so the scabbed frame bump was further notched. Yes, they hacked the patch around the frame they cut in half to install a full size transfer case (this time it was a big block).
So out of that truck, the 351 roller long block is the best thing to take. Leave the rest.
The 351 fits. Been done thousands of times. No big deal.
The truck EFI intake is silly tall. Look how far it sits above the valve covers. No go to the Bronco and look at the valve covers of the 302, and remember that a 351 sits about an inch taller (the carb throttle linkage is really close to the valve cover of a 351). I have seen the truck intake used once. It took just the right hood, really long and tall cowl induction hood, not just any cowl induction hood. The throttle linkage is at the front of the engine and it was still rubbing the bottom of the hood. And this was after putting ½" of body shims on top of a 3" body lift.
Next up, the EFI. '96 is the first year of EEC-V and OBD-II. This expects fuel level readings (with the '96 sender and gauge), Four O2 sensors to monitor the cats, and a bunch of other stuff. The Explorer EEC-V is a lot more popular and is getting support. Have not seen anything for the truck computer and harness. Realisticly it would just be easier to revert back to an EEC-IV Mustang based EFI if EFI is in your plans
The E4OD is a big transmission, and long. A Bronco really doesn't have the wheelbase for such lengths. A quicky check is the E4OD has a 20" pan while the 4R70W has a 20" case. And the 4R70W pushes the transfer case back enough to cause driveshaft angle issues with only a minor lift.
Finally that BW chain drive transfer case. It is long and wide. Even the fixed yoke version (I think that is what you probably have) is nearly twice as long as the Bronco Dana 20. There just isn't room for a rear driveshaft. And the width part of it. The case is wider than the outside of the frame rail, muchless fitting inside the frame. I have seen one in a Bronco. To do so square tubing was scabbed onto the outside of the frame and the frame was removed to make clearance for the transfer case. That still wasn't enough so the scabbed frame bump was further notched. Yes, they hacked the patch around the frame they cut in half to install a full size transfer case (this time it was a big block).
So out of that truck, the 351 roller long block is the best thing to take. Leave the rest.
Thanks everybody for the help. I can probably get the long block a lot cheaper, and maybe I should find someone who has a v8 explorer on Craigslist with a blown motor and get the intake, tb, trans, t case, wiring harness etc. Would I still need a body lift to clear the explorer system on the 351?
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The explorer efi will fit under the hood but the t-case is still to wide.
I dont think the explorer intake is the one you want to adapt to the 351W unless someone is making a adapter. but the only one I know of is the BC bronco one that adapts the standard car upper to the 351 lower. In any case a body lift helps with a 351W swap. But I think you will need one with EFI.
Broncnaz, is this the adapter you're talking about? http://www.bcbroncos.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=131_108&products_id=1059 and and can I use the tb from the explorer on the car intake or should I just find a whole mustang efi setup? could I buy this adapter and use my stock dana 20 to solve the t case problem? http://broncograveyard.com/bronco/i-11326-aode-4r70w-swap-kit-1994-newer-trans.html
Yes thats the adapter here's a better pic of it. http://www.bcbroncos.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=27_115&products_id=1060
While a explorer TB can be used there will be mods that need to be done. You really have to watch out on what you mix and match here. I think your better off starting with the car upper and throttle body. But you can research what needs to be done for the explorer TB swap its not that involved.
That would be the adapter used with a 4R70W but you would still need a aftermarket controller so add another $600. What axle gearing and tire size are you running or going to run? As With the OD tranny you may need to regear the axles. More money.
While a explorer TB can be used there will be mods that need to be done. You really have to watch out on what you mix and match here. I think your better off starting with the car upper and throttle body. But you can research what needs to be done for the explorer TB swap its not that involved.
That would be the adapter used with a 4R70W but you would still need a aftermarket controller so add another $600. What axle gearing and tire size are you running or going to run? As With the OD tranny you may need to regear the axles. More money.
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