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Budd body rairity

eaglenest66

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Bobby, on Tim's roadster13.com mine is listed there twice. Once under Brian Ivey, who I bought it from this past January, then under my name Terry A Akins.

Terry, Brian has now been deleted. I wish more like you would mention this as I know there are others that have sold and new owners never register or maybe registered twice like yours. It took me a whole 20 seconds to do so! thx, Tim
 

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As for that hyped up ad on eBay, that's all it is! Budd was merely a sub-contractor to Ford at one time, just like Fisher was to GM. Located in Philadelphia, their main line of work was building rail cars but somehow built other items such as the bronco body for a very short time. I have never seen or heard anything of the prototype bronco being built by none other than FORD!

A few years ago, some of us verified the prototype bronco owned by Seth at Gateway Bronco is the real deal. And on the door is the ID tag indicating code "S" in the vin - the Ford facility where such projects are created. I believe it's the old Allen Park test lab thanks to another member helping me out with the name.

Traditionally our '66 broncos start with codes that include "U13FL...." but the prototype is "UF4FS732000". "L" is for the production plant in Wayne, MI. The "S" is the facility for such pre-production projects. With that said, stating that the early eyebrow grille rigs were built/produced by Budd is very misleading!

That ad also states "all original". The whole rig has a ton of red flags indicating it's not including a blow-n-go paint job!
 

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I've had many arguments over the last few years that the Gateway(shelby) bronco wasn't the first production bronco. L732000, L732001, L732002, L732003, or L732004 could be out there somewhere still......or never produced at all lol.
 

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We have recently discovered another Budd discrepancy when compared to a FoMoCo body (66 only) and it lies in the doors. Where they stamped the latch mechanism opening on Budd doors is slightly off center of the FoMoCo. What happens is the door will rise when closing on a FoMoCo B pillar and you have to enlarge the holes to let the striker adjust down a little more. The other issue this has is if you have to source new mechanism rods, the one going from the latch to the interior door handle will be about 1/4" too long and the rod going to the outside door handle will be about 1/4" too short as when compared to a FoMoCo door. Crazy little differences when coming form different stampings and assembly jigs I suppose. How we discovered this is we have a 66 U13 export truck in our shop. It has paperwork that shows it had factory doors and hard top added before export. We assume that they grabbed a pair of doors from what stock they had, one FoMoCo and a left over Budd as this is a FoMoCo 66 tub. Working to get cleaner lines and consistent gaps we have discovered the issue and had to hand make new rods for the Budd door.
 

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We have recently discovered another Budd discrepancy when compared to a FoMoCo body (66 only) and it lies in the doors. Where they stamped the latch mechanism opening on Budd doors is slightly off center of the FoMoCo. What happens is the door will rise when closing on a FoMoCo B pillar and you have to enlarge the holes to let the striker adjust down a little more. The other issue this has is if you have to source new mechanism rods, the one going from the latch to the interior door handle will be about 1/4" too long and the rod going to the outside door handle will be about 1/4" too short as when compared to a FoMoCo door. Crazy little differences when coming form different stampings and assembly jigs I suppose. How we discovered this is we have a 66 U13 export truck in our shop. It has paperwork that shows it had factory doors and hard top added before export. We assume that they grabbed a pair of doors from what stock they had, one FoMoCo and a left over Budd as this is a FoMoCo 66 tub. Working to get cleaner lines and consistent gaps we have discovered the issue and had to hand make new rods for the Budd door.

That's interesting info thanks for sharing
 

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The drip rail at the top of the driver's floor pan isn't a Budd only feature. I've seen them on '67s as well.
 

66BlueGoose

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66bluegoose my 66 Budd U13 had no drip rail, August 65 build. My October 65 U14 has the drop rail...


Thanks that seems to confirm what I see, my Aug 65 Bud U13 no drip rail, both my Oct 65 U15 have the rail. PO had acquired a drip rail from somewhere for the restoration, looks like I will leave it out.
 

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As for that hyped up ad on eBay, that's all it is! Budd was merely a sub-contractor to Ford at one time, just like Fisher was to GM. Located in Philadelphia, their main line of work was building rail cars but somehow built other items such as the bronco body for a very short time. I have never seen or heard anything of the prototype bronco being built by none other than FORD!

A few years ago, some of us verified the prototype bronco owned by Seth at Gateway Bronco is the real deal. And on the door is the ID tag indicating code "S" in the vin - the Ford facility where such projects are created. I believe it's the old Allen Park test lab thanks to another member helping me out with the name.

Traditionally our '66 broncos start with codes that include "U13FL...." but the prototype is "UF4FS732000". "L" is for the production plant in Wayne, MI. The "S" is the facility for such pre-production projects. With that said, stating that the early eyebrow grille rigs were built/produced by Budd is very misleading!

So Tim, is that trim tag on the lower door like a '65-'66 Mustang, or even a pickup. Guessing FORD moved them to the kick panel when production started because of the roadster. This is a good thread, I've learned a couple of things.
 
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As for that hyped up ad on eBay, that's all it is! Budd was merely a sub-contractor to Ford at one time, just like Fisher was to GM. Located in Philadelphia, their main line of work was building rail cars but somehow built other items such as the bronco body for a very short time. I have never seen or heard anything of the prototype bronco being built by none other than FORD!

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With that said, stating that the early eyebrow grille rigs were built/produced by Budd is very misleading!

That ad also states "all original". The whole rig has a ton of red flags indicating it's not including a blow-n-go paint job!

So, let's talk about this for a minute or two.

I own the 66 U13 in the ebay ad. I picked it up to flip because the seller didn't know what they had. They were happy they got their asking price and I am happy that I finally got to own a 66 U13, if only for a little while. I am a Blazer guy now (own a 72 K5) but have always had a soft spot for 66-77 Bronco's as well.

It's currently listed at $45k including shipping in the lower 48 via enclosed trailer in that price. https://www.ebay.com/itm/223850556610 is ebay and https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1966/ford/bronco/101243965 is autotrader.

I made a mistake on saying there were 200 Budd bodies produced. I did a bunch of research and "numerous sources" were saying there were thought to be 200 U13s remaining. U13 registry disproves that so I'm going to say "Less than 300 left". My eBay and Autotrader ads have been updated to reflect this change, which is why I provided the links to each.

Second, I believe you are incorrect in saying that Prototypes and early Bronco bodies were produced by Ford and not Budd. There's a nice book out there by Todd Zuercher titled "Ford Bronco: A History of Ford's Legendary 4x4". Maybe you've heard of it? He did an amazing amount of research and even went as far as to interview Ford Engineers who were on the design team. In Todd's book, he specifically states in TWO places that Budd manufactured the Prototypes for Ford and that they Produced the Bronco Bodies for the first several months of the 1966 production run. Here's the page:

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The last item in your list I am going to address is your reference to being "red flags". I stated there is evidence of paint respray on the windshield frame, door inserts, hood and interior. What else is saying this is not original? Everything else I can find appears to be 100% original on this truck down to the FoMoCo wiper washer fluid bag still in use. It has the eyebrow grille, straight bumpers, 66 hubcaps, silver vinyl seats, correct tail gate, vacuum wipers, correct 4-rod hood, etc, etc, etc.

Last - I purchased this truck to sell, not to keep. If someone would like to own it, I am open to offers. If someone here has the scratch to get serious about a purchase, please feel free to reach out at any time. I joined this site back in 2007 because at the time I was looking for a Bronco. Didn't find what I wanted and ended up buying a CJ7. Mistake. Sold that and decided the classic truck game had to wait while my two toddler sons grew up a little. Five and a half years ago I bought a 72K5 and still have it. From time to time I find/clean/fix/sell and old classic. My motive isn't only the money made on the flip, but the thrill of the hunt as well as the opportunity to own a rarity like these.

I love old trucks and cars. I love the "hunt" to find them and I love driving them. I even love working on them, to an extent. As far as this one goes, it truly is a unicorn and you'll be hard pressed to convince me otherwise. It is a survivor that has had a little makeup (paintwork) applied but that is it. If any of you want any additional pics, if nothing more than for documenting a real )ct 65 Budd body U13, please just ask and I would be happy to oblige.
 
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Okie, That's one I didn't know about. I'll check out my Sept build U14r, do you know of any other date stamps on yours
Thanks Terry

That's the only ones I know of that were stamped. Maybe someone else knows of others.
 

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That's the only ones I know of that were stamped. Maybe someone else knows of others.

Yes. I have seen that stamping on in the '70's. We stripped and restored a '73 that had the date sometime in '72 stamped in numerous places around the window frame. However, the date was as deeply stamped as Bobby's '66.
 

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Very cool, iirc my passenger door was made a or two later. Edi, how about a couple weeks later.
 
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