How wide is the Cleveland 351?

[fordfan]

Hey fordfan, beautiful rig, love the color and stance. I'm not a engine guru, but does the Cleveland have more balls than the windsor? I've heard that it does. Also, it sounds like it wasn't too difficult installing one in a early bronco, just haven't seen that many of them in broncos. One last thing, can you put that motor in front of a NV3550? Or a C6 ?

Thanks.
There's probably a forever argument over which is stronger, but in original engines from Ford, the Cleveland had the highest power rating. A Cleveland can be built to just about whatever power rating you want if you have the $. They have the same footprint as a small block;(mounts and bellhousing.)
So, yes, you could install a small block C6 or a 3550.

 

[rmk57]

1971 Boss 351 would have been the pinnacle of for that engine. Four bolt mains, 11.3:1 forged pistons, solid lifter cam rated at 330 hp. Enough to get a 3800 lbs. 71 Mustang to run mid-13's.

Fantastic job on the swap. It looks like it was made for it.

 

[SHX669]

Hey fordfan, beautiful rig, love the color and stance. I'm not a engine guru, but does the Cleveland have more balls than the windsor? I've heard that it does. Also, it sounds like it wasn't too difficult installing one in a early bronco, just haven't seen that many of them in broncos. One last thing, can you put that motor in front of a NV3550? Or a C6 ?

I'm running a NV 3550 with my Cleveland ; flywheel , pressure plate ,bellhousing , starter , motor mounts are the same as a Windsor.
Mines not a high horsepower unit ; 2v heads , aussie 4x2 intake , rv type cam {Po install - so don't know the specs. } I've got lots of low end torque { more than my 351 Windsor } and still hits it hard from 3000 -4500 rpm which is about as high as I take it . I drive mine daily if I can . Trips to burger joint , hardware store and the occasional 150 mile down the freeway without stopping trip so I'm not interested in a Firebreather.
Talking with a Local Trophy Truck engine builder 4-5 years ago he told me he could get more HP with the Cleveland than the Windsor and do it cheaper . Also that he could get 400HP with my factory 2v heads and Aussie intake but would have to make a cam change. 600HP would require different heads and bigger cam and more machine work .
So for me I see no reason to not put in a Cleveland other than it's physically bigger than a 302 or 289 Windsor.

 

[ugly74]

You had ask about the heads on Rattler, they are AFDs made in Australia. In Australia, Clevelands were made many years after they ceased production in the states, so there's a wealth of better equipment for them over there. They were only made three years here which is probably the shortest life of any Ford powerplant that I can think of.
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Those heads are sweet. A little outside of my budget! I found a set of factory Aussie 2V heads on Craigslist for $300! The quench chamber and 2v ports are a nice combo.

 

[Seventee]

This thread revived my interest to swap my 400 in....

 

[79INA69]

If I remember John Kasse won an engine masters challenge using a 400M. No denying the Cleveland prowess. I think the Chevy LS took some Q's from the Cleveland. I have a 400M shoved in my 69. Was removed from my 79F150 and its in there. Its a tight fit. Modded 2v heads, small cam, edl intake, forged pistons. Big torque motor. With the aluminum top end, not much heavier than an all iron 351W. Fordfan: Are those the cromo steel rockers from Crane or Comp? They fit under the stock covers without any modification? I love the look of a stock sleeper engine in 4x4s

 

[fordfan]

If I remember John Kasse won an engine masters challenge using a 400M. No denying the Cleveland prowess. I think the Chevy LS took some Q's from the Cleveland. I have a 400M shoved in my 69. Was removed from my 79F150 and its in there. Its a tight fit. Modded 2v heads, small cam, edl intake, forged pistons. Big torque motor. With the aluminum top end, not much heavier than an all iron 351W Fordfan: Are those the cromo steel rockers from Crane or Comp? They fit under the stock covers without any modification? I love the look of a stock sleeper engine in 4x4s

Yes, 79, they are comp steel rockers. I have some aluminum rockers in some other engines and have never had an issue, but I've heard of aluminum ones breaking, so I went with steel ones. Yep, they fit under the stock valve covers, but just barely! I wanted it to really appear basically stock. I almost zinc chromated the aluminum heads and painted them blue so they would look like steel heads! The FiTech is covered with a 14" dirt track air cleaner so you can't see it. The one 3" exhaust is quiet and un-obtrusive. Yep.... a sleeper is what I wanted in this one too. Nothing through the hood, no scoop, no dual loud exhaust, even riding in it, it almost sneaks up on you!;D;D;D
Tom Hyde with Lick Creek Restorations (englewoodcowboy) on here, had a surprised look when we eased down hwy 329 in Townsend, Tn then quietly turned around and popped a wheelie taking off the other way...;D;D;D

 

[fordfan]

Hey Markw. I hope we are not hijacking your thread. I guess the answer to your question is, Yes, its pretty wide!.... but it fits with no problem...

 

[Madgyver]

393 Clevor here

 

[markw]

FordFan no worries about hijack! I’m liking the conversation. It’s how I learn.
I’d love to build a 351 Clevor with Bill Mitchell aluminum block, Scat rotating bits and CHI top end. But just the parts add up to $14K. Maybe some day


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[Madgyver]

Fordfan, How did you run your exhaust after the FC3 sanderson headers.
Curious to know what others have done. Duals? 2 into 1? size of tube?

 

[WheelHorse]

That Cleveland is the cat's meow.

 

[ugly74]

Fordfan, How did you run your exhaust after the FC3 sanderson headers.
Curious to know what others have done. Duals? 2 into 1? size of tube?

I’m curious how other guys managed it too.
I bought 3” flanges, 3” to 2.5” reducers, and a number of mandrel bent 45* sections from Summit, pieced those together down to an H pipe, then it’s 2.25” duals from there on back.
Sanderson makes angled flange/reducers, which you kinda need, but they were $30 a pop, so I made the angles myself.
Then painted it with VHT high temp

 

[fordfan]

I’m curious how other guys managed it too.
I bought 3” flanges, 3” to 2.5” reducers, and a number of mandrel bent 45* sections from Summit, pieced those together down to an H pipe, then it’s 2.25” duals from there on back.
Sanderson makes angled flange/reducers, which you kinda need, but they were $30 a pop, so I made the angles myself.
Then painted it with VHT high temp

I was going to post up pics of the exhaust, but my computer is acting up.....(Windows 7 not supported anymore so they send an update to immediately cripple it and make you spend a couple of grand on upgrades!!!)

Yes. The exhaust is a two into one. I made the 3" collectors from stainless; 2 1/2" pipes into a gibson stainless muffler and a 3" tailpipe.

 

[fordfan]

Bringing this back and posting pictures of exhaust. They are not the best, but maybe you can tell a little about it.