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just did disc conversion! Do I need power booster cylinder?

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jammerphd

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My 69 aint runnin yet but almost! wooooooweeeeeee! I am excited! Did a disc chevy conversion and am wondering if I should go ahead and do the master upgrade. What year f-series truck is the best upgrade? Should I get at salvage or parts house?It has a stock master on it for drums right now.?????
 

Blue71

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I got the same one. Haven't done the disc swap yet , but its all in the boxes waiting.

Blue71
 

Blue71

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jammerphd,

How long did it take to do the Chebby disc swap? Any touble? Let me know.

Blue71
 

todcolvin

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I used the 76 camper special as well.

The conversion was surprisingly easy. The first side took about an hour and a half including replacing the kingpin bearings and axle seals. The second side took about 30 minutes.
 
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Yes, you want the 76' F250 camper special, I got one from autozone and it was wronge although that's what there computer said, I found that checker auto parts had the correct one with the same fittings ect. Just fiy so you don't have to make two trips. And yes it's night and day difference in stopping.....
 

76Broncofromhell

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I run a stock '76 MC in my Bronco. Seems to work fine. I would think the large bore F-250 MC would make the power brakes a little hard to push. But I'll let the guys who are using it make the judgement.
 

Skuzzlebutt

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I've been using the F-250 C/S m/c with the cheby conversion since before the turn of the century, and I like it. I figure to add some insight here.

The stock size m/c (1.000" bore) will give you the most stopping power. It will feel soft, but that is because it gives the greatest leverage advantage, the most power for effort put in to it by your leg. The down side of it is that it requires longer travel to get this power. My pedal was coming to a stop too close to the floor for me to be comfortable with it. If a problem/leak were to occur later on, I wouldn't be able to press the pedal further to get some extra braking pressure.
Larger bore m/cs give a firmer feel and ergo a shorter throw of the pedal, but require more muscle to achieve the same stopping power.
A big mistake many guys make is assuming firm brakes are better brakes. This is a totaly different issue than the softness caused by air in the lines.
The size of the m/c is just a variable in a leverage system. Using a larger m/c gives the exact same results as shortening your brake pedal, less distance and more effort. It boils down to "preferance." There is no better or best, or worst.
The '76 F-250 Camper Special came with at least 3 different bore m/cs. Mine has a 1-1/16" bore. Others have 1-1/8" and 1-1/4" bores. I think the 1-1/8" is most common. Most people who have tried the 1-1/4" m/c will say it requires too much muscle to stop safely, unless you're using a power booster.
And that is a different subject.
 

Broncobowsher

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I did the 1¼" MC without a booster. Major leg effort to stop. Have since changed to 1" master with hydroboost. Day and night difference in braking, with no other changes.
 

CrazyJoe

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Whoah, wait. Everyone's talking about a brake booster , MC from a 76 ford F-250? Ok, I don't know what MC is. But I do know I have drum brakes, one day will look into the disc conversion, but I am currently wanting to get a brake booster.

I thought I would be confined buying one from one of the Bronco Stores talked about often here....
 

brian72

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Are we talking the F250 camper special mc just because of the chevy conversion or does also add benefits for F150 disk conversion?
 

todcolvin

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brian72--If you are doing the f-150 and upgrading to the T-bird calipers and BC broncos brake lines I would go with the camper special M/C.

The stock m/c for non-power disc brakes should work, but the larger piston diameter will provide better feel---IMHO

Tod
 

brian72

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I did do the F160 converison and have the '79 F150 calipers. I also have bc broncos braided extended lines.

I was told to just go ahead and get the '77 front disc MC. But the F250 campers special will work???
 

mark74ranger

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From what I've been reading the 1 1/8" MC is the best comprimise between pedal effort and pedal travel. Is this what the 76, F250, 390 CID master cylinder specs are or is it 1 1/4". I haven't been able to figure this out from the articles I've read.

What I really want is a part number for the 1 1/8" bore MC with ports on the drivers side. Can anyone provide this?
 

Broncobowsher

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I was running a SVO mustang ('84-'86) that has driver side ports and is 1-1/8 (maybe 1-1/16) but what ever it was, it was slightly larger then stock 1". The only real modification I had to do was slightly file the mounting holes because they were about 1/8" too far apart. A few adaptors later and the brake line bolted on.
 
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jammerphd

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OK SO THE BOLT PATTERN ON THE BOOSTER FROM F-250 IS FOUR BOLT. THE OLD MC IS TWO BOLT. WHAT IS BEST WAY TO BOLT IT UP?! HELP HELP HELP.
 

Broncobowsher

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You appear to be confusing a master cylinder with a booster.
To install a vacuum booster in a Bronco, contact your favorite bronco supply house and order a brake booster bracket. Bolts between the firewall and the booster.
 

Skuzzlebutt

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Yeah, what He said.

And the F-250 m/c has the same 2 bolt pattern as the stock Bronco m/c. That is why It is the recommended replacement.
 
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