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One Ton TRO?

Biohazard

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I've been using the search, but with no luck. Can someone point me to some threads or tech articles on the chevy one ton TRO conversion? Any help would be appreciated. I'm swapping in a disc brake D44 with a 5.5" superflex and would like to do this conversion while I've got everything apart. Also I'm curious of any drivability issues with it?
 

surfer-b

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Also I'm curious of any drivability issues with it?

I will say this, a 5.5" lift is not gonna be the best street friendly system, just too much working against it, high center of gravity, drag link angles, caster and soft springs to just name a few. However if you do not plan on using it as an everday driver and its set up right you will be OK.
With that said here are a few vendors to get you started for the tie rod over conversion, also, most of the Bronco vendors sale the TRO systems:
http://www.partsmike.com/index.php?crn=240&rn=1419&action=show_detail

Here is another, this guy will have anything you need, I have never used his product but have heard good things about him.
http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/STEER.html

Here is another good product that will save you from buying a reamer bit

http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com...de=INSSTEER&Category_Code=STEERINGACCESSORIES
 
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needabronco

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The one ton chevy parts are readily available at most autoparts stores BUT you will have to ream the passenger side tie rod for the drag link in order to properly set it up for TRO. I have run this setup for the last 5 years and was happy with it initially but I've bent the drivers side tie rod and the passenger side is flat worn out with only 5,000 miles on them. Granted they were very hard miles but my next setup will be all heim's so that I can carry 2 spare heims, and NOT have to have the passenger side tie rod reamed in order to replace it... My track bar has heim joint's and it's still nice and tight!
 

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Ruff stuff specialties has a good kit. Thats what I used and really like it. You'll need a Reamer and be able to weld it. Its a pretty simple install though. Make your knuckle to knuckle measurement subtract joint to bevel on your tie rod ends with the inserts threaded in and that's your length you need to cut your tubing. I think that makes sense I started drinking early today ;). If not someone will correct me.
 

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these are all metal vs the parts store plastic liner version. the heads are BIG... they come reamed for tru or tro, whichever you specify. may still need to ream your knuckles depending on what you have.
 

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Bc broncos has the tro bushings you need also. The taper is the same as the f150 linkage if I remember correctly.
 

DirtDonk

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...I'm swapping in a disc brake D44...

Just double checking something here for you Bio. What exactly is the axle out of? If it happens to be a '76 or '77 Bronco, you're likely going to have trouble fitting the tie-rod ends, maybe even in normal TRU position, but very much more likely in TRO orientation, and the edge of the wheel rims.

If you are going to be running 17" wheels or larger, you're probably OK. Some 16 inchers will be hit-or-miss depending on the wheel design, but 15" rollers are probably a no-go right from the get-go.;D

Just thought I'd do my negative Nellie routine and rain on someone's Cheerios!
But only if you have one of the mentioned front ends.

Good luck.

Paul
 
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That really sucks, DirtDonk. The axle is out if a 76-77. I have a nice set of 15x10 wheels that I was going to run. Do you have more info on this issue? I know the later model rigs had the y linkage, which I of course will not be running. Elaborate please.........
 

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Lots of good info here in various threads, so check some out for more detailed info than I might give here. Basically though, the difference between the '76/'77 EB steering knuckles and all the rest, is that the steering arm part of the casting on those rigs that used the Y steering is shaped in such a way as to get awfully close to the rim edge. Installing larger bodied tie-rod ends, or moving them to the top as in a TRO, simply puts them in contact with the wheel.

Now, with your 10" wide wheels, IF they have a lot of negative offset (less backspacing) there may be enough clearance. But with so many variations on wheel design, you won't know until you either do some calculations or just put it all together and find out.
Some wheel designs are also thicker or thinner at that critical area, so while most hit, some might not. Has to be the perfect storm of the combined characteristics. But the bottom line is that the steering arm on those particular models is just making life harder for us modifiers. :mad:

If you have the axle, and have a wheel, go grab one rod end and try it on for size. First in the stock orientation, then maybe eyeball it for TRO duties too.

If it rubs, the solutions are either new wheels, Plan-B on the rod ends, or new steering knuckles. The simplest swap is the '76 through '79 full-size F150/Bronco knuckles. The coolest might be a set of Reid Racing heavy duty knuckles or something even more exotic. For the hardware, maybe some spherical rod ends (like Heims) would allow for more clearance between the rim edge and rod end. But as you get into the larger truck sizes of that type of product, you can still run afoul of the wheel. So you still have to be selective.

Good luck. But test first!

Paul
 

70_Steve

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To add a personal experience with the 76-77 steering knuckles...

I installed a 76 Dana 44 in my 70. At the time I was running 15 x 8 chrome steel wheels with 3 3/4" backspace. Never gave the knuckle difference a thought (actually at the time I didn't know there was a difference) but the wheels fit fine. Then I bought a set of Centerline Hellcat wheels with 3 3/4" backspace, and the stock tierod ends knocked the wheel weights off the inside of the rim just because of the different shape of the rim. It's that close!!

When I did the Chebby 1 ton conversion I just did what Dirtdonk suggested and bought a pair of knuckles off a 79 F150. I got the needed clearance to the wheel but the steering arms sit just a little lower. I was going TRO anyway, and did gain the couple inches in the tierod height I was looking for.
 

Crawdad

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Ok guys, you got me tinkin! Could wheel spacers be a Plan-C? I have a 77 front end and want to get Dans Chebby One Ton tie rod, but in my search thru threads I needed to use 1/4" spacers. I had to use these 1/4" spacers on my old 76 bc the stock inverted Y/ knuckle rubbed the powder coat off my 15x6 steelies. The spacers worked well for that stock application, but it sounds like I may need to go thicker spacers if I went the Chebby one ton route.
 

pipermike

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I have the exact set up you guys are talking about. I run 15x8's w/ 3 1/2" backspace. I needed to use a set of the 1/4" spacers to clear them. I've had them on for two years now with no issues.
 

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Plan-C is a go!
As alluded to though, the thickness needed might depend entirely on the wheels. Obviously, for some the 1/4" style is enough. Some may need to go thicker, but that's not a real big issue either. Sorry I neglected to mention it earlier.
I would not stack the thin ones though, as they tend to crack and you're running out of stud length by then anyway. Best at that point to go with the thick style that have their own studs.
Usually about the thinnest you find these in is 1" thick. Ours are 1.25" thick (http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product/Aluminum_Wheel_Spacers_Kit_Blue) and work out very well for lots.
Yes, they're more expensive than the 20 dollar pancakes, but if you need more than a quarter inch, it's well worth it.

Paul
 
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