powersteering pump mount

[72broncoholic]

im doing a 89 mustang gt will the saginaw pump fit the stock mustang bracket also wiil the serpentine pulley fit the saginaw pump i wil be running the 4x4x2 steering box lettme know pics ect...

 

[welndmn]

No.
WH sells the bracket you need, a pulley as well.
All those plastic C2 pumps used a smaller shaft then the Saginaw

 

[72broncoholic]

pump

will the stock mustang pump be enough for the 4x4x2 box

 

[ransil]

will the stock mustang pump be enough for the 4x4x2 box

I use the stock mustang pumps ( C2 pump) or when I need to replace I get a 2001 F250 pump because of the dual return.

If you already have it I would try it first vs spending a bunch of cash conversion.

I'm a cheap ass ...

 

[WILDHORSES]

If you need it this is the bracket and link.
http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product/Delphi_saginaw_pump_bracket

 

[broncodriver99]

As mentioned the C2 pump may work just fine. If not PSC makes an adapter that allows you to run the sagi pump in the mustang bracket that is pretty cheap. http://www.pscmotorsports.com/ford-5-0-saginaw-pump-adapter-bracket.html

They say it won't work with the standard canned ham pumps but I found a couple of threads on other forums where it has been done. I found an earlier round reservoir that looks like it will work with out having to cut the bracket much. I decided to go to EFI and the Explorer serpentine and ended up not using any of it. Let me know if you decide to go this route as I will let the stuff go cheap to get it out of my shop.

 

[gtnorga]

I think some have used the van saginaw pump brackets.
see here
http://classicbroncos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223700

 

[73azbronco]

is that sag van bracket a denso or sanden AC comp mount, looks denso. Does it line with explorer passenger side serp?

 

[Broncobowsher]

is that sag van bracket a denso or sanden AC comp mount, looks denso. Does it line with explorer passenger side serp?

Does not line up with the Explorer drive. Explorer setup is unique to only the Explorer. Nothing is as short as the Explorer. Next shortest is the '94/5 mustang. You can use Explorer brackets with the '94/5 mustang drive IF you make spacers to push the accessory drive away from the engine. I forget how much but I think it is about ¾"

 

[thegreatjustino]

A lot more info on the van bracket here. I was lucky enough to find one in the local junk yard a couple of years ago:

http://www.wt4x4.net/tech/saginawswap.htm

 

[73azbronco]

Does not line up with the Explorer drive. Explorer setup is unique to only the Explorer. Nothing is as short as the Explorer. Next shortest is the '94/5 mustang. You can use Explorer brackets with the '94/5 mustang drive IF you make spacers to push the accessory drive away from the engine. I forget how much but I think it is about ¾"

So, add 3/4 bushings to the passenger side (alternator4g), 3/4 spacer for the water pump pulley, and use a mustang crank balancer/dampner or even a van dampner?

Results in fan being 3/4" closer to radiator.

I thought the mustang setup was much closer than 3/4 inches difference?

Last considerations, can you use the explorer timing cover and the van e150 water pump and make those work with a stock Bronco radiator, meaning no need for a water pump pulley spacer?

Sorry for thread creep. I'm about one week from nailing the final out the door version of my front dress, explorer right now but issue getting the correct ARP bolts. Would like the sanden compressor, and sag pump if able

 

[Broncobowsher]

The '94/5 mustang is a slightly different waterpump then the Explorer, without provision for a mechanical fan. I think the snout is also longer and the pulley has a deeper dish on it. I don't have all the parts laying around anymore to really confirm.

On a Ranger forum I found where someone once adapted an Explorer driver's side bracket to a '94/5 mustang engine for better clearance, they had to come up with a thick shim to bring the bracket forward to line up. I got out of that project 5 years ago, only going off a little memory. Never personally delt with it. I just used a complete Explorer front dress and was happy with it.

Todd Z (and Lars?) found a compressor that will bolt up to the Explorer bracket. I remember it isn't the FS10, something better.
The Explorer pump has shown to be a real good pump. But if you are really stuck on having a Saginaw name attached to a pump, one of the venders had a pump upgrade. Someone once made a bracket that swapped the power steering pump and A/C compressor locations.

There is a lot that can be done. but each little step in changing stuff is a bigger and bigger step into oddball one off time consuming custom build. Then trying to find advise on mixing a bunch of random parts. The internet is great, but with the parts list you are coming up with all I can think of is this is going to turn into a giant clusterflock. Pick an accessory drive (One of the 3 common belt offsets) and work with that. Mixing 2 vehicles of accessory drive is pretty messed up, going for 3 vehicles is only guaranteed to be a disaster.

 

[73azbronco]

Ditto.

Im just thinking the pickpull has all these vehicles and for $15 I may pickup the van bracket and see what it looks like next to the explorer bracket.

 

[tatersalad]

the BC multi-bracket will work with a canned ham sag., it has a provision for ac too. I am using it with the stock 90 ford bronco 351 serp setup. It needed a Cheby lumina serp pulley for the correct offset.

 

[72Sport]

im doing a 89 mustang gt will the saginaw pump fit the stock mustang bracket also wiil the serpentine pulley fit the saginaw pump i wil be running the 4x4x2 steering box lettme know pics ect...

Cardone ( a rebuilder) made a special mount for the Saginaw pump to be a bolt in for almost every Ford from the 60's to the 90's. Napa no longer sells them. The Cardone part # was 20-6244. I purchased one from my local auto parts (not Napa) using the part# 206244 (no hyphen). I read on the internet that some had bought them from Carquest. I found a couple of them on early 70's Ford pickups and one on an old Ford station wagon at the local wrecking yard. They have a special cast iron horse shoe shaped adapter on the front and an extension on the shaft for the pulley. It is a bolt on. Attached is a picture of mine with a Chevy dual return can. The Chevy truck can required a "little" grinding to get it to fit.

Todd Zuercher made up his own mount using a Lincoln Continental and a Mustang bracket. The article used to be up on the Classic Bronco Arizona website. It had been removed the last time I looked. I have a copy of his article and the parts to put it together.