Toyota Hilux Turbo Diesel Engine

[okie4570]

Anyone seen one of these drive trains in person? Any experience with one at all? Thoughts on swap worthiness for a street/highway EB 99% of the time?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jdm-Toyota...396979&hash=item3b111486ff:g:hmIAAOSwbbdbIssK

 

[mlogan24]

From Wikipedia: Maximum output is 130 hp (97 kW) @ 3600 rpm with maximum torque of 287 N·m (211 lb·ft) @ 2000 rpm.

 

[Yeller]

I would think it would feel pretty sluggish, would return some good mpg, just not win any races

 

[Nevadasmith]

You can get those numbers from a warmed up 250 Ford i6 and it's basically a bolt in, hahaha..., Cool idea tho!

 

[okie4570]

Swapping out a 53yo 170 cyl, those diesel specs aren't looking too sluggish!! lol Plus fourth and fifth gears. Transmission looks really long.

170 6cyl
Power output 105 hp (78 kW) at 4400 rpm
Torque output 156 lb⋅ft (212 N⋅m) at 2400 rpm

 

[Broncobowsher]

A diesel highlux isn't exactly exciting. But they are fairly light and not that fast. Putting that engine into an empty Bronco will feel like driving the Highlux around fully loaded. Your foot will be glued to the floor. You can throw away most of the economy since you will be driving at full throttle most of the time.

A Bronco has a lot of drag at highway speeds. It is the nature of the beast. Lifts and big tires make it worse. That little diesel has the rated HP at 3600 RPM. And pulling a grade you will need all that HP just to maintain speed, which means turning that diesel at 3600. That isn't where a diesel is happy at.

 

[73azbronco]

I have no doubt an engine which was slow in a 2000lb truck, would be even slower and less efficient in a 4000lb truck.

 

[Nevadasmith]

From F150 hub; Ford truck 302
1981 - 1984 135 hp @ 3,400 rpm 243 lb-ft @ 2,000 rpm
This would be rated at the rear tires the same as the Toyota engine. With stock size tires and lift, I actually think it would feel a lot like a stock 302, with some bolt ons the 302 wins yeah, but is not as under powered at it's made out to be, and those 170 numbers are flywheel not the rear tires, so you can take 20-25% off to compare. Plus if I had to guess I would say the Toyota engine trans and tcase weighs alot less than a Ford engine trans and tcase, V8 or i6. As to the length, I think it could work, I run an i6 zf5 d20 combination, talk about long!!!!

 

[JB Fab]

From F150 hub; Ford truck 302
1981 - 1984 135 hp @ 3,400 rpm 243 lb-ft @ 2,000 rpm
This would be rated at the rear tires the same as the Toyota engine. With stock size tires and lift, I actually think it would feel a lot like a stock 302, with some bolt ons the 302 wins yeah, but is not as under powered at it's made out to be, and those 170 numbers are flywheel not the rear tires, so you can take 20-25% off to compare. Plus if I had to guess I would say the Toyota engine trans and tcase weighs alot less than a Ford engine trans and tcase, V8 or i6. As to the length, I think it could work, I run an i6 zf5 d20 combination, talk about long!!!!

I agree.....

 

[jonpblewis@yaho]

I've worked and traveled all over Africa. The Toyota Hilux Turbo Diesel is the work horse in most places. I've driven many and always liked them. To survive and thrive under the conditions that you find there says a lot about a truck. I'm talking about everything taking its tole. Road conditions is a big one but probably on par with lack of regular or quality maintenance. The truck is everywhere so every mechanic knows the motor and you'll find it being worked on in the dirt without proper tools or anything else you'd want to have in a shop. To the credit of the mechanics or the truck probably both they keep those things going. I don't think the Hilux diesel is/was ever available in the US? So I'd wonder about parts availability here. I was always impressed with the MPG I'd get over there I'd guess ( having to convert klms to miles and liters to gals ) somewhere around 29 mpg. It's defiantly a much lighter truck.

 

[OX1]

From F150 hub; Ford truck 302
1981 - 1984 135 hp @ 3,400 rpm 243 lb-ft @ 2,000 rpm
This would be rated at the rear tires the same as the Toyota engine.

Isn't that SAE net?

 

[sykanr0ng]

I've worked and traveled all over Africa. The Toyota Hilux Turbo Diesel is the work horse in most places. I've driven many and always liked them. To survive and thrive under the conditions that you find there says a lot about a truck. I'm talking about everything taking its tole. Road conditions is a big one but probably on par with lack of regular or quality maintenance. The truck is everywhere so every mechanic knows the motor and you'll find it being worked on in the dirt without proper tools or anything else you'd want to have in a shop. To the credit of the mechanics or the truck probably both they keep those things going. I don't think the Hilux diesel is/was ever available in the US? So I'd wonder about parts availability here. I was always impressed with the MPG I'd get over there I'd guess ( having to convert klms to miles and liters to gals ) somewhere around 29 mpg. It's defiantly a much lighter truck.

The Jdm in the eBay ad means Japanese domestic market, it was made for sale in Japan.

What the EPA would think about importing it?
That is the question on my mind.

 

[Nevadasmith]

Isn't that SAE net?

Yes but to my knowledge all mass productionautomotive engines (Standard of Automotive Engineers). after 1972 USA, and 1980-82 world wide are rated that way,

 

[OX1]

Yes but to my knowledge all mass productionautomotive engines (Standard of Automotive Engineers). after 1972 USA, and 1980-82 world wide are rated that way,

But that is still @ flywheel, it's just with all accessorizes, emissions, full exh, etc. Not the same as RWHP.

 

[Broncobowsher]

But that is still @ flywheel, it's just with all accessorizes, emissions, full exh, etc. Not the same as RWHP.

Correct.

 

[ntsqd]

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That little diesel has the rated HP at 3600 RPM. And pulling a grade you will need all that HP just to maintain speed, which means turning that diesel at 3600. That isn't where a diesel is happy at.

If it is rated to peak HP at that RPM it'll run there and be relatively happy about it. Fuel economy might not be the best, but it'll do it. Just because 6BT's don't really want to run that high doesn't mean that other diesel engines won't or don't.
And FWIW I once ran my VW 1.6L diesel flat out for nearly 500 miles. I mean that, foot on the floor for a great portion of that drive. 6 hrs, 45 mins, you can work out my average speed. Got 38 MPG on that trip. It normally got 38 MPG because the IP was tired. Diesels don't respond like gassers do to throttle setting.

I have no doubt an engine which was slow in a 2000lb truck, would be even slower and less efficient in a 4000lb truck.

I don't know where you got that 2000lbs number, but it clearly is not for a Toyota pick-up. My '84 Xcab's VIN plate had a GVW of something like 4500 lbs. (Sold it a while back so memory is a bit fuzzy). Outfitted the way I drove it everywhere it was 3800 lbs net on Harbor Frieght's OTR truck scales. Compared to the 22R's ~100 HP, 130 HP wouldn't felt like a hot rod!