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Which 2100 carb?

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Looking for some advice from those with more Motorcraft 2100 experience than I.

My Bronco is a '69 with a V8. Original was 302, PO told me that a prior owner a couple times removed may have replaced the engine years back, and it is uncertain whether the current one is a 302, or maybe a 289. (At some point I'll drop the pan and look for the crank markings to figure out for sure.)

In any case, the engine is pretty much bone stock. Factory 2-BBL manifold, cast exhaust manifolds with 2¼" duals, original points ignition. Nothing at all special.

I have two different 2100s. Neither is road-ready now, either one will need a good rebuild. The question is, which one should I focus on.

The one on the engine now appears to be original to the Bronco (or perhaps to the swapped 289/302), as it is a manual choke with 1.08 venturis. No dashpots or other later add-ons. It runs on this carb now, but runs very rich, no choke needed to start cold and the plugs foul with black soot. (I suspect a bad float, but haven't pulled it apart yet.)

The other is a later 2100, with hot air choke, and the little pull-down in the back half of the top plate. No other dashpots, no electric assist on the air choke. It also says 1.08 venturis. The number stamped on the mounting ear is not really clear, but seems to say '2AFD', so I'm assuming it should start with 'D2' for 1972. It has a faded paper tag on the top indicating it is a rebuilt unit, but no idea who or when. Feels like the accelerator pump is bad. Otherwise it looks pretty good, but we all know that rebuilds can have all manner of mismatched stuff inside.

I'd prefer to not have a manual choke in the end. But of course, I don't have any of the hot air stuff other than the second carb itself. So either carb is going to need to need some changes.

Here's the real question - is there any real difference between these two carbs if they were rebuilt and set up properly? Should I focus on one over the other? Or just go with the later carb as being an easier path to an automatic choke?

I was looking at Mike's Carb Parts online, looks like the main rebuild kit is on backorder now, as is the electric choke conversion.

Any suggestions?
 
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gnpenning

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Hard to say. Either way you are going to the automatic choke so pick what you think will be easiest. Not much if any difference in the actual carb. Kit and float price will be same. Check the jets in both.

I prefer the manual choke. Really limits who can drive it. For some that is a good thing 😀.

Do you have a ultrasonic cleaner or for cleaning? Make sure you get air or fluid through all the passages and everything is clean going back. Pretty simple and dependable carbs. Ford did a pretty good job.
 
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Did some more checking today, pulling the top off both to look inside. First thing I noticed was that both carbs have brass floats, and neither seem to leak. The '72 has 48 jets, which is pretty typical for a Bronco carb.

But the manual choke carb is starting to look even more suspect. I figured the float on it was probably bad, causing the very rich mixture. Not so, the float is fine. Haven't checked the jets yet (bowl still full of fuel), but I'm starting to wonder if it is really a 1.08 carb at all. The venturis look different than the '72 carb, so I'm wondering if it might really be a manual choke carb for a 2BBL 390...

But it looks like it will be easier to get an electric choke for the '72 carb, and it seems pretty good overall shape, so that's probably what I'll go with.
 
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Aren’t the bore sizes always listed down at the lower flange? Just a simple number stamped into the casting?
Maybe not on reproductions, but on originals I thought they did that.
 
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Pretty sure both are original, not repro, because both have the stamped partial number on the flange. Neither are stamped deep enough to be sure, but the manual choke carb looks like '9U_A' (only the 9 is clear enough to be certain) and the later shows '2AFD' (the 2A and D are clear, the F is less so). So that should peg them as '69 and '72 build carbs.

Went back into the garage and finally found the bore size on the '69 manual choke carb. It has a cast (not stamped) 1.08 on the throttle side, while the '72 carb has a larger 1.08 cast on the choke side. So both carbs started life as Bronco carbs, not Mustang or big block carbs. But both appear to have been mass-market rebuilds, so there is some question about what is inside.

So while I have now confirmed the '69 is a Bronco unit, and does not have a bad float, it is still suspect since it runs way rich. I think the '72 carb will be an easier path to goodness.
 

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Did you measure float height on either one??

Keep in mind these have been sitting and any fuel left in the bowls may not reflect actual run height. Could have something in the needle and seat area. Or clogged air bleed.
 

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I thought I read somewhere that all the 2100s were 1.08, but I've been wrong probably as much as I've been right....
 

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All Bronco 2100s were 1.08, but many Mustangs were 1.12, and larger engines were 1.21 and maybe even bigger.
When I got my 1971 Bronco, it was in rough shape and had many questionable repairs done to it. Someone had swapped a EGR 2 barrel intake on and did not use the EGR carb spacer. They just used RTV and plugged the opening... I made a custom plate to cover the opening and got things to run as best I could. After many struggles, I could not eliminate the rich running condition. I learned that I should have the 1.08 2100. I had a 1.23 version and no matter how I fooled with settings, I could never get it to run reliably.

I ended up finding a 1971 non-EGR 2 barrel intake and a 1.08 2100 on eBay. The difference is simply amazing. I don't recall the jet size off the top of my head, but I think it went with a 48.

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