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Which tie rod and drag link should I buy?

jonmelton

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Hey guys, need help deciding what tie rod and drag link I need. I've had some wandering issues so I am doing the 14 piece bushing install. But, while I was taking my tie rod out I stupidly hammered on the threads to get it loose (newbie mistake won't do that again) and now the threads are crushed. All of the boots were bad and the tie rods needed replacing anyway.

So, is there any specifics I should get? I have a 3.5 inch lift. Stock 302. Running 33's. Drum brakes. When I took the tie rod out the drag link and trac arm was parallel.

I'm thinking just getting this one:
http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product/16827

 
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DirtDonk

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Hey Jon. Other than the Duff setup being fairly highly regarded here, I can only give details about ours.
The one you list is as good as you have now. It's the stock replacement stuff, and is fine for a stock Bronco. But since you have a lift already, and presumably larger tires, upgrading to our #2351 (http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product/Tie_Rod_Drag_Link_3way_Adjustable_6675yr) would, I believe, be worth the extra $50-$100 for the benefits.

What you get for the extra money is a much beefier tie-rod and rod ends, as well as a fully adjustable draglink. Which is something Ford should have done originally anyway.
Some benefits of the individual small rod ends (as opposed to the stock long-and-short ends) is more precise adjustability, quite a bit less cost to replace worn ends in the future, and no re-tapering the hole if you decide later to go with a TRO setup. This last is not much help to most, who will never go TRO, but the cost and adjustment features can benefit anyone.
The big bonus though is the draglink which means you can fine tune your steering wheel's straightness, and therefore more importantly your steering box's "on-center" positioning.
Your dropped pitman arm may take care of that, but in most cases it's not perfect. The adjustment makes fine-tuning that a breeze.

So that's what's going on at our end. I'm sure plenty of others will chime in. By now you've probably seen lots of discussions about steering linkage and preferences.
Good luck.

Paul
 

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Oh, and LOTS of us have had a "been there, done that" moment with rod end threads too. So you're in good company I hope!

Paul
 
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Man Paul! Giving advice on a Sunday. I think I'm going to buy that link just because of your comment! Thanks for the info, that helps a ton.
 

navalbronco66

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Hey Paul your product is listed for up to 75. In 76 they changed to some other form I think it's y link. I hear though, that the 66-75 drag link setup is more desirable. So would it not make sense to just upgrade to the old style if you're replacing your setup? Hence just list the product up to 77.

I'm still debating on weather I should go with the GM tie rod ends, I want something a little beefy over the stock replacement parts. The Clydsdale setup I've seen is just to expensive for my set budget. Any thoughts?
 

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Man Paul! Giving advice on a Sunday.

That's 'cause this is where most of my current and future friends hang out too!;D
Actually just getting ready to go up to another Bronco-friend's place to watch football (unusual for me I must admit) because there will be three or four other Bronco-friends there too.
A fun day for sure.

Thanks!

Paul
 
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DirtDonk

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Hey Paul your product is listed for up to 75. In 76 they changed to some other form I think it's y link. I hear though, that the 66-75 drag link setup is more desirable. So would it not make sense to just upgrade to the old style if you're replacing your setup? Hence just list the product up to 77.

Makes total sense actually. Especially if you have to replace any of your other components due to normal wear or damage anyway. No reason not to upgrade to the T-style.
I say "upgrade" because while the Y-setup is excellent especially on the street, it's only excellent when the Bronco is stock or near-stock. Some have good luck with the Y, but most run into steering woes above 2" of lift and/or larger tires. Even a stock height EB with 33's can mangle a Y-link pretty quick under the right/wrong circumstances.

Because the tapered holes and distances on a '76 or '77 are different though, you can't just bolt up an old stock T-style linkage and be done with it. We sell a distinct part for that, in the #2390 (http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product/Tie_Rod_Drag_Link_3way_Adjustable_7677yr) to address both of those issues. It's basically the same centerlink as Jon would use, but left a few inches longer. The rod ends are the same part number in fact, but they have extra long tapers and two cotter pin holes at different heights to accommodate the different size holes on the Broncos.
Same for the upper draglink rod end. The later pitman arms had smaller holes too, so that upper joint for yours is a different part than the one
Jon would use on his earlier model.

All in all WAAAAYYYYY beefier than the stock Y-linkage. Much less prone to flex with larger tires, and no more toe-in changes when the suspension cycles. In theory that should reduce tire wear too, but I don't remember hearing many complaints about tire wear on later EB's, so that might be a non-issue.
But for off-road, it fixes the biggest issue. Some might think "tacos" on the trail is a tasty trailside treat. But when that taco is your tie-rod's long end bent in half because of larger tires putting too much stress on things, well, you get the picture.

Some good reading here at the top of the page: http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/category/Custom_tie_rods


I'm still debating on weather I should go with the GM tie rod ends, I want something a little beefy over the stock replacement parts. The Clydsdale setup I've seen is just to expensive for my set budget. Any thoughts?

I like that setup actually, and lots of members here using them to good effect. But just so you know, the ones I showed you above are already way beefier than stock. The rod ends themselves aren't quite as gnarly as the 1-tons, but the tie-rod link is fairly massive compared to what you have now.
I keep meaning to write it down, but I think it's 1 1/8" diameter, vs the stock just shy of 7/8" if I remember? Maybe someone using it can throw a tape on theirs. But it's pretty beefy.
Of course, the Clydesdale is larger still, but the GM setups will vary in tube thickness based on what you use. Might be anywhere from 1 1/8" to 1 1/2" generally.

As I mentioned to Jon too, ours is easier to convert to TRO than the standard GM 1-ton setup because the centerlink just stays in the same orientation, while the rod ends flip upside down. With the GM stuff, you have to re-taper the passenger side rod end as well. Not a huge deal, as you're tapering holes already, but one less step to take.

One thing that is both good and bad with the GM setup is that same rod end. The setup gives you a longer draglink, which in and of itself can be a good thing. But at the same time that fact is changing the very geometry of the steering system by mis-matching the lengths of the draglink and the trackbar. The best way to overcome that slight shortcoming is to lengthen the trackbar with a custom unit. Not an easy task.
The tradeoff is minimal though, as the longer link benefits are slightly more than the detractors of the mismatch.

That help confuse things even more?%)

Paul
 

u10072

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You've got a 66-75 steering setup in your posted picture-- guaranteed- called T- style linkage.
 

navalbronco66

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Thanks for the insight Paul, I was about to ask questions cause I'm doing the ford disc brake conversion and got the knuckles from a 79 ford. I figured the stock Bronco components would bolt up but after reading your links, it addressed my questions. looks like I would have to purchase the tie rod for the F150 knuckles. And luckily wild horses already addresses the problem.

Quick question though, how easy is it to get replacement tie rod ends? Are these parts readily found at the parts store?
 

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Pretty sure they would be, though probably not the style I was mentioning earlier with the two position studs. Don't have the O.E. application in my head, but they may very well be both the short end of the stock full-size Bronco/F150 linkage.
Either way, should be easy to get.

Paul
 

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I have the "Conversion" T-style from Wild Horses on my 76. (2390) Much stronger than stock and completely drop in with NO mods what so ever. WH has the T-style upgrade for the 66-75 as well. (2351)
 
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