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Windsor heads on 302

ballistic64

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My offroad Bronc Im building is getting a 70' Windsor but Im using GT heads on it.Im wondering whats all involved in using the original Windsor heads on my daily driver that has a 302,its a 73 sport.I know the Windsor heads are 60cc and have bigger ports and valves,but what cc are the 73' 302 heads and what cam setup would help this 302 breath better with the Windsor heads?
 

Bronco Ben

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If it were me I'd try to find some explorer V-8 "P Heads" with a good set of valve springs and retainers are perfect for an older bronco install, its what I plan to do if I can find em and find headers to fit em!
thanks
Ben
 

6677ebman

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I have a '69 F100 SWB that has a motor set-up kinda like that, it's a '66 289 block w/ '69 351W heads, and that thing will really respond! I've got a 4V & headers on there, too. Anyways, I like the way it runs, maybe 351W heads on a 289/302 isn't a bad idea!
 

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The wording of your question was a little confusing to me at first. If I understand correctly you have “two” Broncos; one daily and one off road. One thing I should mention right off the bat is that you may have a good set of heads on that 351w. It has been long known that one of the best heads ever to be on a 351w was in 1969. This head also spilled over to 1970, but not the whole production year. The part number for this head is (C90Z-6049-F). If you have this head I recommend you keep it with the 351w. Not only will it work better then the GT it will also save you a lot of money. When you mix and match a pre-’77 make heads there is a little work involved. It is minimal but it does add up. Immediate differences are water jackets as well as the bolt size. There are some kits out there to work out these bugs, but I think you’ll be happier if you leave it alone; save your money to recondition the 351w heads. Your GTs will work nice with the 302 and they will help with the infamous “bronchitis” on almost all Ford heads. As far as your ’73 302s go, although they vary, they are probably a 63.2cc. As far as the cam is concerned it does not make your heads breath better. You could have a great cam but it is worthless if you have bad heads. The quicker and more air an engine can take in will always produce power. In fact, anything you do to make your engine breath better will produce more power. One of the biggest problems Ford engines have is the head. If you solve this problem or even somewhat correct it you will have a motor to be reckoned with. There are many cams out there so to say which ones are the best is difficult. I personally favor the Comp Cams extreme series for 4x4s, but you need to do the math to find what you are looking for—every situation is different, daily driving, wheeling, towing, and the quarter mile are only a few examples of uses. Don’t fall for “one size fits all”, that’s the factories philosophy.

One more tip, don’t ever even consider using a post-’77 351w head! They say Ford has a better idea but not when it comes to what they did to the poor 351w in the late 70’s and 80’s. The 351w I’m running is an ’84 block and the factory set-up almost made me sick. The heads on my block were 79cc, and Ford didn’t stop there but felt a “dish” piston would complement this arrangement. The legendary 351w was now lucky if it had a 7 compression ratio.

I hope this helps some,
Happy Trails
Shuby
 

Nuke

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I thought the 289, 302, and 351W were all Windsors? And the W on the end of the 351W is to distinguish it from the big block 351C and the 351M.
 

Broncobowsher

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The 351W is related to the 221-260-289-302-255 V8s. There are a few differences. Biggest one is deck height. The biggest as far as interchangability of heads is that the 351 uses 1/2" head bolts while all the others use 7/16" head bolts. This means that you have to drill non-351 heads to fit the larger 351 head bolts. If you put 351 heads on a non-351, you need the step washers to center the bolts in the oversized hole.

There are other issues when swapping years such as pushrod length and rocker arm design.

At least all the valve covers are interchangable.

And the wonderful 5 bolt small block bellhouse bolt pattern on the '62 to '65(?) just to mess you up some more.
 

wildbill

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:p :p :p If you put 351W heads on a 289/302 you need to raise the compression 1 point . If your 302 is a 8:1 motor and you put W heads on it it will be a 7:1 motor when done and you will need to changd the head bolts or use harden washers when bolting them on but they do work good have fun and good luck. :eek: :eek: :eek: Bill 8) ::) :p
 
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ballistic64

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Wildbill,just thinking about wat you said about the compression,why if the 73' 302 has,say,63-64cc heads would putting 60cc heads from a 351w on the 302 bring comp. down a full point?
 

wildbill

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:p :p :p The info. I had I cant find that book but this one has that ford had a kit to put the 351W heads on a 289/302 the head gasket's pt.# C80Z-6051-B and the intake was D1AZ-9433-C and the head was C90Z-6049-F and it included the 7/16 head bolts with 1/2 shoulder washers and consisted of pop up pistons. It also states the valve size at exh. 1.54 and int. 1.84 this is from ford performance by pat ganahl but the book is like me old it was printed in 1979 and the one I cant find is about the same have fun. ;D ;D ;D Bill 8) ::) :p
 

Shubyjames

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If your going to go with the 351 on 302 ARP has head bolts to do the job. Their bolts are stepped so there’s no need for spacers. You can call for prices at 1-800-826-3045 and the part number is (254-3708). I think they only come in a 12-point head but you can ask. I believe the Ford still makes a kit, if they do Ford Motor Sports SVO will have it. SVO Tech line is (313) 337-1356. I don’t know how good the SVO number is, it is from an old catalog.

Good luck with the build,
Shuby
 

broncolove

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Just my plug, I think you can get just as much out of your 302 heads with a lot less trouble. You can port match them yourself and get them to breath good. unless your running some serious HP, the stock valves will do fine. If you want more compression, have them decked. You can have all that done for under $150.00 at a motor shop. Just my thoughts.
 
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