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Holley Terminator EFI with Aeromotive Phantom 340 Fuel System Installation

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DirkDonk that's what I plan in doing, going to O'Reilly and seeing what kind of bushings they have. Exhaust hangers is actually a really good idea for rubber bushings so I'll give that a shot if they have some. Thanks
 
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I finally got it to drive!! I still have more fine tuning and adjusting to do to make it idle the way it should, but man I'm only about 12% through the learning process and damn it already drives way better than my Bronco has ever rode for the past years. I noticed that the only time the fuel pump makes noise is when I turn the ignition on without turning the motor and it only whines for about 5 seconds to prime and then that's it, no noise to be heard after that. I'm sure once I get the pump from not touching the under body of my Bronco I may not even hear the pump go off.
 
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Ok so I’m late on updating this thread with my final install of the Phantom 340 and the Holley Terminator EFI. Since the completion I have put 85 miles of street, freeway, steep hills and downgrade hills and it has been flawless. I have no off road miles on it yet but will soon. The Phantom fuel pump is amazing and a really straightforward install. The only problem I ran into was having space between the body and the fuel pump studs that bolts down the fuel pump, but it was a simple fix. I went to O’Reilly and picked up some rubber bushings off the peg board and fixed it (pic attached below). Now I have no weird noises from the fuel pump humming on the body of my Bronco. Once the fuel pump has primed for the first 5-10 seconds on ignition power it is never to be heard again after starting the engine. I used all Summit Racing fittings and hoses. All the fittings that connected to the fuel filter and regulator are Aeromotive. The hose and fittings made by Summit Racing was a breeze to install. Simply tightened down the hose with the table vice and inserted the fittings and tightened them with the wrench. I didn’t even buy the AN wrench, just used the regular craftsman wrenches and it did the job. I routed the fuel lines on top of the frame and zipped tied them together. I mounted the fuel filter towards the back of the frame close the tank. I used an Aeromotive fuel filter holder to hold it down in place. As a back up to make sure the fuel filter doesn’t come off the holder when I’m off roading I used a 5”-7” hose clamp to secure it. To prevent scratching the fuel filter I put a heat shrink down the hose clamp and tightened it down securely.

Now for the Holley Terminator EFI… I love it. My Bronco has never ran so good. Currently I am not controlling timing (my next project), and it runs great. Obviously the longest part of the Terminator install was where to run all the wires. I mounted the ECU where the air box thingy goes (excuse my poor vocabulary don’t know what that part is called %)). I put it in a position where I can easily connect and disconnect any wire in the future. All the wires were easily routed and hidden with all the existing holes that Ford made. I used my existing lokar throttle bracket with the kickdown bracket and it worked out good.

Overall the system is really easy and straightforward to install. Only thing I needed help with was the “o2” sensor because I don’t have a welder so took it to my friend’s shop. Other than that I did everything else all alone without a problem with a little help from my best friend (the floor jack ;D).
 

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This will be an ongoing installation thread for the Holley Terminator EFI and the Aeromotive Phantom 340 In-tank Pump.

Can you give us a ballpark in price so far for what is pictured? Could look it up, but figured you must have gotten near best price after all the research.
 
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The attached picture has most of the parts that I purchased minus the parts purchased from the local auto parts store, which is not much money. I did do a lot of searching and price matching with Summit Racing and Jegs.

As for the total ending price... ya I could have had an EFI system from a mustang or Explorer for half the cost but truth is for the past 5 years my 302 engine hasn't failed me nor gave me any problems so I was not going to sacrifice that for an unknown engine. Another factor to going this route is I will be building a 351W sometime in the future and all I have to do with the Holley EFI is take it off, swap the engine and bolt back 4 bolts and the system re-learns itself. My fuel system may have been on the high side but has plenty of room to accommodate for the higher power 351W and not to mention keep up with all the off road terrain.
 

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How do you control timing, old style vacuum?

Right now it is running just like a carburetor. The Holley EFI is hooked up on the Negative post of the Coil. To control timing I can use the Ford TFI Distributor or use the MSD Ignition box with the MSD distributor. I'm personally going with the Ford TFi distributor.
 

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The attached picture has most of the parts that I purchased minus the parts purchased from the local auto parts store, which is not much money. I did do a lot of searching and price matching with Summit Racing and Jegs.

As for the total ending price... ya I could have had an EFI system from a mustang or Explorer for half the cost but truth is for the past 5 years my 302 engine hasn't failed me nor gave me any problems so I was not going to sacrifice that for an unknown engine. Another factor to going this route is I will be building a 351W sometime in the future and all I have to do with the Holley EFI is take it off, swap the engine and bolt back 4 bolts and the system re-learns itself. My fuel system may have been on the high side but has plenty of room to accommodate for the higher power 351W and not to mention keep up with all the off road terrain.

Thanks. Overall does not look that bad, the EEC stuff adds up quick too, especially if you are going to pay for even remote tuning. I am eventually using some aftermarket non port injection kit on a 400, so no easy way to add straight ford inj to one of them.
 

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This is definitely on my list of things to do and like you I like the idea of just being able to swap over to a different engine size by basically just unbolting 4 bolts.
 
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Thanks. Overall does not look that bad, the EEC stuff adds up quick too, especially if you are going to pay for even remote tuning. I am eventually using some aftermarket non port injection kit on a 400, so no easy way to add straight ford inj to one of them.
Ya. I figured that all the little things add up.
This is definitely on my list of things to do and like you I like the idea of just being able to swap over to a different engine size by basically just unbolting 4 bolts.
Ya it should definitely be on the top of your list. It is well worth the investment
 
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I just want to update this thread. I now have my Terminator controlling timing. I installed a Rickporter TFI distributor and bought a genuine Motorcraft TFI module, and used the McCully relocation kit to mount the TFI module to another location to keep it from heating up.
I have been driving it with this setup for about a couple months now, I have in total about 700 miles with the Terminator EFI and of those 700, I have 200 ish miles with it controlling timing. I noticed that with it controlling timing it needs more tuning done to make it run really good. My Bronco runs great, but I'm sure I can get it better but I don't have the expertise in tuning so it will be a learning process for me. But in the meantime it runs awesome!!
 

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Are you running a dual plane or single plane intake? I just recently learned that the Terminator has shown to work better with a single plane intake despite the rule of thumb for low end torque, RPM operating range, etc. The tests I read about were on a chevy but I am about to switch my intake and give a try. I need to pull the intake anyway to fix a leak.

I have a MSD TFI distributor, the remote McCully mount, and a new Accel TFI module to make the swap...still debating whether to make the change.
 
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Are you running a dual plane or single plane intake? I just recently learned that the Terminator has shown to work better with a single plane intake despite the rule of thumb for low end torque, RPM operating range, etc. The tests I read about were on a chevy but I am about to switch my intake and give a try. I need to pull the intake anyway to fix a leak.



I have a MSD TFI distributor, the remote McCully mount, and a new Accel TFI module to make the swap...still debating whether to make the change.


Ya I saw that video from your thread about the two being compared, pretty interesting. I have a single plane and no problems on my end. With it controlling timing it does run more smoother however I forgot to mention that I have a cold start issue. It takes a couple cranks to turn on. Like i mentioned I have to really get into the tuning software to take the full advantage on the whole timing control feature.
 

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EFI (even just the "lowly" TBI setups) are still more forgiving of longer runners due to more complete and even atomization of the fuel out of the injector nozzles. A little more controlled than a typical carb perhaps, but certainly a carb that's not optimized for a certain setup yet.
I'm guessing that's why at least some TBI's respond well to single-plane setups, where the carb's fuel might fall out of suspension more readily and puddle.

I'm also just guessing, but some particular TBI setups may not like dual-plane manifolds as much as others due to the angle/pressure/design/number of injectors as they sit on top of the carb flange/plenum area.
Or perhaps it's the physical size of the throttle body itself? Most TB setups have much larger venturi and throttle plates and CFM ratings than a typical smaller carburetor would ever have. That alone might change the whole party, as related to how they like a wider open plenum area than would be found on most dual-plane setups.

The TBI is just making up some of the slack that carburetors suffer from.
I bet the old Holley Streetmaster Z-series manifolds would have been just the ticket for a TBI setup. They were a single plane design, with a partial divider plate separating the two banks, and an equalizer port between the two sides back near the rear of the 4/8 runners.
Too bad I sold mine with my engine, instead of keeping it. Since I was never quite satisfied at it's low rpm performance with a carburetor, at the time it seemed like a good deal to trade it for a Performer!

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what single plane manifold are you using. I'm thinking about converting. I'm also running TFI and a long start cold issue too.
 
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what single plane manifold are you using. I'm thinking about converting. I'm also running TFI and a long start cold issue too.



I'm running an Edelbrock Streetmaster 289 manifold with my 302. It seems to be a good combo together.


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Holley techs were very specific as was the literature, use the cam, the intake the engine was designed for, the Terminator figures it out. I have a dual plane, tech said keep it and temrinator will adjust fine. One thought is to use a carb spacer that is one large square bore vs 4 bores to allow air to go any way it wants.
 
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Just an update and want to prevent this thread from archiving...

Took the Bronco out to Cleghorn Trail and got the Bronco in some pretty steep inclines and it performed great! Not a single hiccup with the Terminator system.
 
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