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pressure tank or air compresser

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I am thinking what would be best for on board air. If you have air lockers you need a compressed air supply. Would a small air compressor work better than pressure tank? I like the pressure tank option. It seems more compact and simple than mounting up a compressor and having to wire it in. Compressor never runs out of air vs the pressure tank being empty. Wondering who likes what for locker function and tire air.
 

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By pressure tank, I presume you mean a CO2 bottle. Those are really nice in the gas is actually a liquid. So as it boils off inside the bottle you get huge amounts of gas volume in a small container. I ran one for years. It can fill a LOT of tires. They do have to be mounted upright to avoid getting liquid into the regulator. They do need refilling. You can't judge how full they are from the pressure. Pressure is dependent on temperature, unless you are out, then there is no pressure. The only real way to know what you have is by weighing it. So remove it, know the weight of it full/empty and see how it compares. Then there is getting it filled. Exchange is often possible, but you will likely get a heavy steel bottle back in place of your nice aluminum one. Keeping your aluminum, every 5 years it needs a new hydrostatic test to keep it current. And some people get all fussy about a bottle of compressed gas inside a vehicle. While CO2 isn't CO, it also doesn't have and free O2 to breath either. Fill the inside of a vehicle with CO2 and it isn't a habitable space. Isn't toxic (CO is very toxic), not going to poison you, you just don't have oxygen to stay alive. Causes hyperventalation and a feeling of panic.

Some will run N2 (pure nitrogen) as a compressed gas. Not as much volume as CO2, stays as a gas, but at a higher pressure. This you can know how much is left by checking bottle pressure. Can be used in any position. Still has the 5 year hydro requirement (as do all of the high pressure tanks). Not may people use this. Seen more in the race world as it also is used for charging shocks.

Last of the pressure tanks, scuba tanks. Very much like Nitrogen, but it is just air. Filled at most any scuba shop, maybe a friendly fire station if you know them fairly well. I've run this before I got my CO2, and after I sold it. Also handy for diving, which is why I have some around. With the growth of paintball guns that run on compressed air this stuff is even more available today than ever before.

There is also the ~5 gallon tank that is filled with shop air. This is relatively low pressure, 100-150 PSI. These are even bigger and don't have the volume to air up large tires. I don't even consider these for the trail due to the lack of volume and the shear size of them. They are good when you have a flat tire in the parking lot in a car and you can use your nice home/shop compressor to fill this tank and take it with you.

Compressors are nearly limitless, but have limits. You will have little ones. Between taking forever to fill a large tire, they often have heating issues. Most can run long duty cycles. Good ones will reach a thermal limit and shut down and will start again once cooled off. I've had some that I placed against the dash so the A/C vent would blow on them to cool them off. I have even done this with a small 12V compressor running on an invertor.

Now the big compressors. Several people at work have recently stepped up to these. Typically the ARB twin air or the one that looks exactly the same minus the ARB naming. They do suck down the electrons. I recently added one of these to my collection. It can pull a solid 70A on the top end. That is pretty much one HP of electricity. And you do get a lot of air for that. Straight off the compressor I was pretty impressed with what it was putting out into an air nozzle. Doing tires like nobody's business. Spun the impact pretty good. But I ended up putting a small air tank into the mix. The impact flows more air than the compressor can keep up with at pressure, so that buffer works and the compressor doesn't short cycle as bad.

The CO2 and scuba tanks do work. But knowing how full they are, getting them filled, can't really install them deep as they have to come out often. The compressor I am liking better. Installed in an out of the way location. Small air tank that doesn't have to come out to be filled, also tucked away. Limitless amounts of air. There is compressor run time, and depending on how you are filling the tires the compressor is potentially slower. But it is always there.

Lockers make for more issues. If the lockers never leaked anywhere it wouldn't really matter. But so many lockers have small air leaks. Small leaks and time are not the best mix. Having to turn the gas bottle on to use the locker. Leave it on all day, and how much was lost in the leaks? The compressor will always be there.

The last truck I sold had an air horn (and air kickdown for the transmission). Ran off a compressor (a really tiny one for factory air suspension). Always ready to go. Any time I drove it the air horn was ready, the small air tank was charged and ready to go. Leaked out after sitting for a bit, but filled right back up when I turned the key on. But that would never work for filling a tire.
 

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Having been around comp cars with air tanks I’d pick a compressor. It sucks when you really need it and you don’t have enough air for the locker to lock. Now if just airing up tires and such air tank is my preference. For tires nothing is faster than a tank.

For lockers there’s a bunch of options, dedicated compressors, Yukon supplies a much less expensive version of an ARB unit. automotive air suspension compressors are very viable and in the grand scheme inexpensive. The suspension units will need a small tank. I’ve found myself revisiting this recently.

IMO the ultimate is a York ac compressor that is engine driven, does it all and does it fast. But all of the individual components make it complicated.

Bit of air locker trivia. In a pinch a zerk fitting can be installed on an airline adapter and grease can be used to make a spool in place of air. Now it’s locked until you clean it out but you have a locker
 

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I'll chime in too. I ran a basic ARB back in '86. Wore out in a couple years. Bought another one. Wore it out in a couple years. Went York. Found an alum one. LOVE IT. Used it for over 20 yrs. ONLY drawback on the York is all the stuff to make it work for us.

In an effort to rid my engine compartment of a TON of hoses, filters, solenoids, etc I'm changing to the ARB. I hope I don't regret removing the York. I've used it for running 16ga air nailers on job sites, all kinds of uses.

I looked long and hard at bottles & like already mentioned, be aware of those major drawbacks and for me, it can take 8 days to get an exchange. Unacceptable.

So I bought the major electron sucking dual ARB and have just wired it in. We wheel and drive around alone enough that I try to have as many backups as possible. I carry a small hand pump in case of failures so I can pressurize my front bumper which has been my air tank since about '94.

I have run an air horn and one air locker since Feb '86, dual ARB's since '96. I run 40"s so the York gets a workout. Flawless.

Like everyone said- you only run out of air when you need it.
 
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Lots of good info here, thanks . I like the York option. I am running an explorer front dress with the A/C delete. Can or has anyone mounted up a York onto the the explorer set up? I assume the York has a clutch so it can be switched on and off. Does it need a storage tank build pressure ? On the power tank I have a local dive shop that will fill tanks pretty much while you wait. So if I got 2 small tanks I could carry both. I just want it simple.
 

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Lots of good info here, thanks . I like the York option. I am running an explorer front dress with the A/C delete. Can or has anyone mounted up a York onto the the explorer set up? I assume the York has a clutch so it can be switched on and off. Does it need a storage tank build pressure ? On the power tank I have a local dive shop that will fill tanks pretty much while you wait. So if I got 2 small tanks I could carry both. I just want it simple.
I can send you some pics of the York setup on my '78. It's not complicated at all.
 

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I designed the back of me real rig to mount a CO2 bottle vertical next to my upright fuel cell. After a few times of running out of CO2 on the trail due to a leaking ARB I made a small air tank and Viair compressor mounted in the same shape as the CO2 bottle. So it fits in the same spot. I can swap them out as needed. Funny thing is I have never swapped back to the CO2 bottle. (ARB leak fixed!) Also I have to drive to Pueblo 70 miles away to swap CO2 bottles which makes it a pain in the butt. The little compressor runs the ARB fine but takes forever to air up tires. So I bought a bigger portable Viair for airing up. I've wheeled with guys with Yorks and they work great both for air lockers and for airing up. They are fast!
 
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I can send you some pics of the York setup on my '78. It's not complicated at all.
Thanks Bill. that might give me some ideas about working it into the explorer front dress and how to hook it all up.
 

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Couple of pics...
onboard York mounting.JPG
onboard air diagram 1.jpg
 

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Sexy air tanks are cheap on eBay these days, thanks to all the "baggers" running around out there. McMaster Carr sells that nice compact little pressure switch. It is adjustable for the pressure setting .

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I had every intention of putting a York on my bronco, I just ran out of real estate. So I carry a tank or portable smitty built compressor.

I’m spoiled for getting it filled, welding supply is 3 miles away that does fill service and tank certification for most local welding suppliers in the region.

Yea they have a clutch just like an AC compressor, so you can run any set pressure you want or not at all
 

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Simple is two small tanks. Never leave home w/o one being full.

I built a new accessory brkt for the DS to mount my ps & the York above it. Alignment is perfect and fully adjustable. This was after trying an Exploder Sanden compressor for ease of fitment t after swapping to the Exploder frt dress.

Don't cheap out with the unreliable Sanden 709, Go York.
 

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Lots of good info here, thanks . I like the York option. I am running an explorer front dress with the A/C delete. Can or has anyone mounted up a York onto the the explorer set up? I assume the York has a clutch so it can be switched on and off. Does it need a storage tank build pressure ? On the power tank I have a local dive shop that will fill tanks pretty much while you wait. So if I got 2 small tanks I could carry both. I just want it simple.
FYI, Power tank is CO2. Scuba is air. While they look very similar to each other they are not interchangeable. The cylinders have different fill pressure ratings and fittings. I've never seen a dive shop fill CO2, only air (and sometimes mixed with extra Oxygen or Helium).

Don't pick up a Power tank (CO2) and think any dive shop will fill it.
 
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FYI, Power tank is CO2. Scuba is air. While they look very similar to each other they are not interchangeable. The cylinders have different fill pressure ratings and fittings. I've never seen a dive shop fill CO2, only air (and sometimes mixed with extra Oxygen or Helium).

Don't pick up a Power tank (CO2) and think any dive shop will fill it.
Good info. perhaps the welding supply house will fill them. I know they will exchange them but I would not want to loose my good tank. Perhaps buy one of theirs and done care what you get back? Also the small dive tanks should work for an ARB. Perhaps pick up a few tanks and have them filled?
 
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I don't think I can fit a York with the room I have. its real tight now and fitting that clunky thing in there may be a no go.
 

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No air lockers on mine. I carried a co2 tank for years. It worked well & filled 33s several times over. I would also use it for the skid steer at work. I'd have it filled or swapped out at the local welding supply or HVAC shop. But it lasted so long that it was hard to keep track of when it needed to be filled. I carried a cheapy 12v as a a backup. OK for my 33s, but useless for the skid steer.

Eventually, after a trip to Ariona in the boss's truck, where we had issues with trailer tires, I bought a portable smittybilt 2781 12v with 5.65 cfm. It isn't supposed to be capped off, but to have continuous flow. Great for tires, but not suited for pressure tanks, lockers, or tool work. I haven't used the co2 tank since. For my purposes being easily moved between vehicles works well. It's small, in a bag, & gets thrown into whatever I'm driving. For someone only looking to fill tires, I timed it awhile back:
BFG KM2 MT 35x12.50x15:
4-1/2 minutes 0 psi to 35 psi on a much cooler (68*) day.

So that exact smittybilt isn't suited for your application, but a fast 12v is sure handy. Another 12v design would be convenient to install & work for lockers. I looked at some mountable Viairs that looked pretty good before buying the portable smittybilt. Some of those setups used two 12v compressors for higher cfm.
 
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Good info. perhaps the welding supply house will fill them. I know they will exchange them but I would not want to loose my good tank. Perhaps buy one of theirs and done care what you get back? Also the small dive tanks should work for an ARB. Perhaps pick up a few tanks and have them filled?
I scored a bunch of "out of cert" SCBA tanks from a firefighter buddy. They hold a tremendous pressure and its "just air". I have one left..gave the rest away over the years. Cool-looking composite wound-fiber construction. You should have grabbed it while you were here..hell, you took everything else I owned with ya.
 
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I scored a bunch of "out of cert" SCBA tanks from a firefighter buddy. They hold a tremendous pressure and its "just air". I have one left..gave the rest away over the years. Cool-looking composite wound-fiber construction. You should have grabbed it while you were here..hell, you took everything else I owned with ya.
The 26 foot trailer was packed and it took a day to pack it. When I left I swear you had about 38 more trailer loads. When / if you move it will take many semi trailers.
 
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