Lower rad hose advice - oddball setup, i think

[67sport]

I've done some digging myself, and seem to be getting dumber the more I read. I guess I need someone to clear this up for me.I need a lower rad hose, what I have now is 2 spliced together with a joint, and I'd like the correct one around for when I need it.

'67/302, rad outlet on drivers side, water pump inlet on driver side. Radiator inlet on passenger side. Radiator cap on drivers side. All like this when I got the truck 25 years ago, i have had my rad recored, but never thought much about it. I remember finding the right (same) water pump was a PITA years ago, but I don't remember what the correct one was from. This would all relate to pre-EFI 302. The pictures on vendor sites don't appear to have the right bends, but the photos could be misleading.
What lower rad hose works?
What upper rad hose would work (the one I have is universal)?
Is this a reverse radiator?
Is this a standard bronco water pump?
Is this a reverse rotation water pump, or just a reverse inlet water pump?
Any idea what the water pump is from if not bronco?
Thanks for the help.

 

[SteveL]

Sounds like the wrong water pump. A stock eb water pump is a passenger side inlet. 351w has the inlet on the driver side so you run the 302 pomp instead

 

[DirtDonk]

Yep, and the radiator is incorrect too as the cap is usually on the passenger side, away from the hot water coming in.
Without pictures we won’t have any idea what you have. And frankly, even with pictures we may not know exactly what you have since Ford had a lot of different versions for different applications.
Some of which have no single-hose solution at all. Many of us with later model engines with a driver side pump inlet use the crossover tube method with a hose cut up to fit.

 

[67sport]

Thanks guys. Let me get some pics up. It'll be a good excuse to try the new software from my phone anyways.

I can try for other pics, it’s a tough place to capture. Let me know what you’d like to see.

 

[Wrightracing]

Thanks guys. Let me get some pics up. It'll be a good excuse to try the new software from my phone anyways.

I can try for other pics, it’s a tough place to capture. Let me know what you’d like to see.

That pump inlet and outlet on the
Driver's side looks like the setup on my 1986 302 motor. The hose I have is a standard molded hose. It has been 15 years since I had to replace it and I got it at Napa. I am pulling the 302 and running a stroker 351w probably or maybe even a stroker Big Block

David Wright

 

[67sport]

That pump inlet and outlet on the
Driver's side looks like the setup on my 1986 302 motor. The hose I have is a standard molded hose. It has been 15 years since I had to replace it and I got it at Napa. I am pulling the 302 and running a stroker 351w probably or maybe even a stroker Big Block

David Wright

Thanks for that. I'll do some searching for that model year and see what comes up.

 

[DirtDonk]

Looks like a customized stock radiator. Probably took a core with the correct tapered tank on the driver's side and replaced the top hose fitting with that custom filler neck. Added a custom lower hose fitting in the limited space available, and a new fitting on the passenger side. Nice custom work, but which requires custom hoses.
Maybe you'll get lucky with the information and one of the stock replacements could fit.


Is your thermostat cover/housing a newer vertical elbow type from a later car? Would look like this:

Or is yours still the original type? Like this one: https://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product/Thermostat_Housing/Early_bronco_hoses

Whether they work or not for you I can't say, but you can see the basic shapes of the different hose styles here: https://www.wildhorses4x4.com/category/Early_bronco_hoses

Good luck!

Paul

 

[67sport]

Thermostat housing outlet is standard. It looks like a lower hose for an 86 mustang is close enough to try. Paul, your comments about it being a modified stock rad would line up with comments I've received from the old boys that recored it at the shop I used.
Looking at water pumps on rockauto just now, am I correct that mine would be standard rotation (v belt on outside of pulley), so I would need a standard rotation, driver side inlet ~edit, double bypass hose water pump, correct? Again, don't need this now, but would like to find the model year and add it to my notes.

 

[67sport]

Whether they work or not for you I can't say, but you can see the basic shapes of the different hose styles here: https://www.wildhorses4x4.com

I was using your site as a reference point, as well as rockauto. It looks like the hose shape I need matches up with the FSB stuff, but they look too long. I'm hoping the tighter spaces of a mustang might match up to mine a little closer.

 

[DirtDonk]

Looking at water pumps on rockauto just now, am I correct that mine would be standard rotation (v belt on outside of pulley), so I would need a standard rotation, driver side inlet ~edit, double bypass hose water pump, correct? Again, don't need this now, but would like to find the model year and add it to my notes.

Yes, considered "standard rotation" because of the V-belt drive. But that does not mean that someone did not install a reverse rotation pump and use v-belt pulleys to drive it. I think they can be done up that way, but not sure about that.
Mustang's with V6 were the first I ever saw to get a serpentine system in '79, but not sure when the V8 got so equipped. Guessing it was not long after.
Which means that in theory at least, any factory replacement pump from a vehicle after serpentine was introduced is by definition going to be a reverse rotation pump. Driving it in standard rotation might still work, but it's likely not going to be as efficient.

Been awhile since we had these compatibility discussions about water pumps, front covers and drive systems. Hard to remember all the gory details.

Paul

 

[67sport]

Thanks for the input, I think it's more clear now what mine has. I see there are different snout lengths I'll need to confirm to get the right pump, but they seem to exist at least.
I was young working in an engine shop when the motor was built. The shop rebuilt inline 4's, Chevy 4.3's and scat v-4's for the expiremental aircraft world. The engine builder/machinist was brilliant, but just made custom adapters and brackets to mate things and line up belts. We fitted a big alternator, canned ham pump and he just made the stuff to line it all up. Wish he was still around.
The truck has never had heating issues, even with very little of my fan shroud left (still need to address this). It was the 90's on Vancouver Island, so not much of a hotrod community for odd stuff back then. I learned a ton, but man, you forget over time.
Again, many thanks.

 

[Rustytruck]

do a search for a Pontiac radiator hose something I vaguely remember people were doing.

 

[67sport]

do a search for a Pontiac radiator hose something I vaguely remember people were doing.

Thank you, 1 year later and I needed to replace my spliced hose. Your Pontiac suggestion got me to Gates 20475. Looks to be a perfect match to my home made hose that failed.
Maybe it'll help someone else with a Frankenstein front dress one day.
I'll install it in the morning and update if it doesn't work, but it lines up exactly to the one I pulled out.
This site is awesome.

 

[WILDHORSES]

I was about to go out to the warehouse and take some pics of hoses. Then I noticed the dates on the thread. Kudos to you for posting progress a year later! Good luck with the project!

Jim

 

[Oldtimer]

I was about to go out to the warehouse and take some pics of hoses. Then I noticed the dates on the thread. Kudos to you for posting progress a year later! Good luck with the project!

Jim

Now this is service.
WH is closed on weekends, and yet Jim is at work, and willing to help.

 

[67sport]

I was about to go out to the warehouse and take some pics of hoses. Then I noticed the dates on the thread. Kudos to you for posting progress a year later! Good luck with the project!

Jim

Thanks very much for the service, what a great community.