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Windshield hinge seal.

Mark1911

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Ok age old question. I have searched and searched but can't really nail down a definitive answer as to how the windshield hinge seal is supposed to go. I have read "round bulb" side towards and up against the pivot part of the hinge and have read "round bulb" side towards the passenger compartment.
Round bulb is all I can come up with to explain how it looks.....Oh and by the way it is a 71 sport.
Thank you Classic Bronco Community!
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Rustytruck

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round bulb towards the roll of the hinge. if you pull back the windshield frame and look at the end of the hinge the open end the shape of the opening between the 2 sides of the hinge is not parallel it is wider at the bulb of the hinge.
 
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Thank you for the reply, so if I stand the windshield frame in the "closed" position, it will have a wider gap at the pivot point or front side of the hinge and the back side, closest to the passenger compartment will be closed. So if I understand you correctly the bulb will go up against the pivot part which is the forward side of the hinge. Sheesh I wish I wasn't so bewildered by this operation.
The body shop installed it incorrectly, they put the bulb side against the dash side.
This seal has me feeling stupid.LOL.
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AZ73

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What's interesting is I keep reading the bulb faces the front towards the hinge, but the instructions that came with mine said it faces the back towards the dash

People saying it's the front:

https://classicbroncos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305874

My instructions from Tom's:

"New Hinge Seal for the Windshield Frame on your 66-77 Early Ford Bronco. This seal mounts between the Windshield Frame Piano Hinge at the bottom of the Windshield Frame.

FYI, When installing this item, the seal should be installed with the bead facing toward the passenger compartment."

Bronco graveyard shows towards the back too:

https://shop.broncograveyard.com/19...indshield-frame-hinge-seal/productinfo/16014/

Paul from Wild horses says towards the back also:

https://classicbroncos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292735

I installed mine facing the back.
 

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BoltTurner

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Sometimes its the stupidest things that get you. I installed mine like AZ73's. When I initially did it the reverse way, the bulb made it so the window wouldn't lay back properly and was putting, what I considered, too much strain on the hinge. In the end I decided it didn't matter as long as there was some rubber between the hinge plates.
 

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The bulb helps seal the two sections of hinge when set against it. With the bulb facing rearward water gets in between hinge and the bulb of the seal and stays there. Hope that makes sense.
 

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The bulb helps seal the two sections of hinge when set against it. With the bulb facing rearward water gets in between hinge and the bulb of the seal and stays there. Hope that makes sense.

This isn't true. The flat part of the gasket seals the two sections. You will never keep water from getting into the actual hinge. The water needs to drain from the hinge and dry out. If you put the bulb right against the inside back of the hinge, the water will stay in the rounded parts of the hinge and rust out the metal rod. The flat part seals the top and bottom together AFTER the point the water drains and dries. The bulb in the back expands the seal. This is what my picture shows.
 
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Thank you for all of the replies and ideas of what was Ford's way of installation or what way works best to seal out water and the elements, I guess there really is no right way??

I am probably going to leave it the way the body shop installed it, the same way AZ73 Bronco is, I don't know....

Probably best to just stop worrying about it and see if it leaks. UGH that would suck but it is fixable. LOL

Thank you everyone for being here, love ya guys.
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I have searched and searched but can't really nail down a definitive answer as to how the windshield hinge seal is supposed to go.

Well Mark, as you see this is one of those with no definitive answer. So looking for one (at least for now) is a study in futility.
I used to argue for the rear facing bulb, or bead, because that's how 99% of the ones I'd seen over the years were delivered from the factory. But as has been documented several times over the years here, especially recently by original owners of Broncos, some were delivered from Ford with the bead facing forward, nearest the hinge.
Unfortunately (for me at least) both positions make some sense.

I still install all of mine with the bead to the rear, even though I'd certainly like to keep water from getting into that cavity completely. But since it's open to the sides anyway, I say any position that best keeps water out of the rear area and passenger compartment behind the dash is the best practice. Whatever you can do to avoid water getting inside is a good thing.
Besides, when I first tried putting one back in with bead forward, knowing it had come with the bead facing the rear originally, the frame just did not want to lay back towards the top and doors naturally and I did not want to put that much pressure on things, as was mentioned earlier. So I re-installed it the way it had come out.

First one was on an original 2-owner '72 that had never had the hard top removed (was only two years old at the time). Second one was on my '71 that had never had the hard top removed (was five years old at the time). The third was a '66 with no verifiable ownership or hard top removal history and I was only involved in what appeared to be the first time the windshield had been flipped forward. The other '66 had the flat seal, but this one had the bulb/bead feature.

All those were my own experiences though. At least some of the current owners that have found the bead towards the hinge are original owners (two of them '77's if I remember?) and so know the history of top removal and windshield frame laying down.
Seems like we had someone post up a picture of their never-molested hinge seal with the bead forward.

So basically use what works and what you like, but take some time to fiddle.
In your case that sounds like a non-starter, since it's already done. I'd do the same thing you're saying. Leave it and watch for leaks inside and even for water draining out from between the hinge halves to the sides if you can see it.
Agree it's fixable, but I know it's a pain if you're not already removing your hard top. I don't look forward to that as just a "maintenance" item.

If it wasn't such a semi-permanent fix, I'd just goop the area with silicone sealer until it oozed out of the exposed edge of the hinge. In fact I still might!

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This isn't true. The flat part of the gasket seals the two sections. You will never keep water from getting into the actual hinge. The water needs to drain from the hinge and dry out. If you put the bulb right against the inside back of the hinge, the water will stay in the rounded parts of the hinge and rust out the metal rod. The flat part seals the top and bottom together AFTER the point the water drains and dries. The bulb in the back expands the seal. This is what my picture shows.

AZ73

is the bulb supposed to get somewhat crushed between the hinges? i have mine set like your however the the bulb is on the outside of the hinges. should i have squashed the build between the hinges?

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Well Mark, as you see this is one of those with no definitive answer. So looking for one (at least for now) is a study in futility.
I used to argue for the rear facing bulb, or bead, because that's how 99% of the ones I'd seen over the years were delivered from the factory. But as has been documented several times over the years here, especially recently by original owners of Broncos, some were delivered from Ford with the bead facing forward, nearest the hinge.
Unfortunately (for me at least) both positions make some sense.

I still install all of mine with the bead to the rear, even though I'd certainly like to keep water from getting into that cavity completely. But since it's open to the sides anyway, I say any position that best keeps water out of the rear area and passenger compartment behind the dash is the best practice. Whatever you can do to avoid water getting inside is a good thing.
Besides, when I first tried putting one back in with bead forward, knowing it had come with the bead facing the rear originally, the frame just did not want to lay back towards the top and doors naturally and I did not want to put that much pressure on things, as was mentioned earlier. So I re-installed it the way it had come out.

First one was on an original 2-owner '72 that had never had the hard top removed (was only two years old at the time). Second one was on my '71 that had never had the hard top removed (was five years old at the time). The third was a '66 with no verifiable ownership or hard top removal history and I was only involved in what appeared to be the first time the windshield had been flipped forward. The other '66 had the flat seal, but this one had the bulb/bead feature.

All those were my own experiences though. At least some of the current owners that have found the bead towards the hinge are original owners (two of them '77's if I remember?) and so know the history of top removal and windshield frame laying down.
Seems like we had someone post up a picture of their never-molested hinge seal with the bead forward.

So basically use what works and what you like, but take some time to fiddle.
In your case that sounds like a non-starter, since it's already done. I'd do the same thing you're saying. Leave it and watch for leaks inside and even for water draining out from between the hinge halves to the sides if you can see it.
Agree it's fixable, but I know it's a pain if you're not already removing your hard top. I don't look forward to that as just a "maintenance" item.

If it wasn't such a semi-permanent fix, I'd just goop the area with silicone sealer until it oozed out of the exposed edge of the hinge. In fact I still might!

Paul

add my 74 to the list of the bead facing forward from the factory. im the 3rd owner, top was never off before me
 

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my 1974 had the bead forward and I was the first to pull the top.
If ford originally had a total flat seal back in the beginning why did they redesign the seal with a bead if it wasn't necessary? Water comes in through the front of the windshield so extra protection was needed coming from the front. How it came from the factory means nothing seeing someones new job is to lay that seal down before they cinch up the windshield. that new person was the low man on the totem pole. He wasn't as skilled a worker as the screw up the missed a dozed spot welds on my Passengers side sill plate.
 

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I am replacing my dash pad and have the windshield folded down. I figured now is a good time to replace the hinge seal. The hinge is spot welded to the windshield and screwed into the cowl mount.

I see that the previous owner put the hinge seal on the *bottom* of the hinge, between the hinge and cowl. This is incorrect and is supposed to be just metal to metal, right?

I am placing a new seal inside the hinge (with bulb back) but I imagine leaving the existing seal could cause alignment issues with the door frames. Should I uninstall the hinge and remove it?

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I believe mine has seam sealer there instead of the rubber gasket. The other issue I see is your entire window frame looks like it's sitting too far back. The hinge should be sticking out past the metal it's sitting on (see my picture above) So if everything is lining up now, I wouldn't change it. Unless it's a specific year thing that I'm not aware of.
 

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We’ve seen a couple of these in recent years.
But after all these decades, there’s no way to know whether it came from the factory that way by accident, on purpose, or was done by a previous owner.
Unless someone is an original owner that’s never had their frame apart and finds the weatherstrip under the hinge, it’s just an anomaly.
 

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Thank you all for the comments. Turns out the hinge is painted stainless steel, so it looks like it was replaced by the PO at some point. The gasket also looks newer. I am going to remove it and place a new gasket on the correct side of the hinge. Would it be alright to put RTV silicone sealant on the cowl mount side or would I be better off just leaving it metal to metal?
 
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