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Aux trans cooler or heat exchanger in radiator?

mgb0302

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Any thoughts on a tranny cooler vs a heat exchanger (also sometimes called a cooler) in a radiator? I have an aluminum radiator with a cooler/ heat exchange built in (I do not have a dedicated cooler). Wondering if I need an aux cooler, and if so, should I run the fluid through both?
 
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Broncobowsher

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How I do it, and how most any modern car or truck does it as well...
Both.
Oil to air cooler first. If that takes the heat off first, great. But if you work the torque convertor hard and don't have the airflow to handle it, the in radiator heat exchanger does a great job of pulling the heat. The water temp takes a hit, but for short blasts that is fine.
 

AC932

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Don't have an automatic in the Bronco, but we've got a 62 T-Bird that just uses a built in exchanger, that was a daily driver in AZ with no problems, so I imagine you'd be fine with that. 302 puts out a lot less heat than those 390's
 

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The "in radiator" heat exchanger should still be used if an aux cooler is installed.
Don't be fooled by the size of the little heat exchanger. It would take a huge air cooler to do the same cooling.
Also, the manufacturers of the aux coolers I've used, recommended that the fluid goes through the radiator heat exchanger first.
The idea is that heat transfers best at the highest temperature differential.
https://www.haydenauto.com/Installation-FAQs/Content.aspx
 

Broncobowsher

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With as marginal as a Bronco cooling system are known to be, I would rather knock the heat off the oil before I add the stress to the engine cooling system.

But people do it both ways. Both have worked.
 

tatersalad

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The in tank heat exchangers purpose is to heat up the trannies fluid to operating temps too. When I used to run with just the air cooled trans cooler my trans with a shift kit wouldn't want to shift to second till the rpm's got up when cold. That's why I ran it through both.
 

JB Fab

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Interesting thing. The transmission I just bought is guaranteed only if it is used with a standalone cooling system.
Jon
 

nvrstuk

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I've run my 4r70W thru a stacked plate cooler with an 8" fan, then thru a Ford PS diesel tranny cooler for 7 of the past 8 years.

First real long 8 mile pull up a dirt road with a slope never less than 9 degrees with ONLY the stacked plate cooler couldn't handle the 2nd gear pull on a 90F day. I still have 5 miles to go...

I added the SD cooler and I have yet to reach 200 deg....99 % of the time my trans temp NEVER reaches 130 deg F. Snow bashing is the only time it gets over 160 deg F.

Shifts fine, I work it hard, always run Mercon V thru it, drained it 2x now... it's got a 500+ HP stroker in front of it. I live in a cold climate and it gets lots of miles put on it...lot's.

So far, so good...since April 2011.
 

toddz69

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I've run my 4r70W thru a stacked plate cooler with an 8" fan, then thru a Ford PS diesel tranny cooler for 7 of the past 8 years.

First real long 8 mile pull up a dirt road with a slope never less than 9 degrees with ONLY the stacked plate cooler couldn't handle the 2nd gear pull on a 90F day. I still have 5 miles to go...

I added the SD cooler and I have yet to reach 200 deg....99 % of the time my trans temp NEVER reaches 130 deg F. Snow bashing is the only time it gets over 160 deg F.

Shifts fine, I work it hard, always run Mercon V thru it, drained it 2x now... it's got a 500+ HP stroker in front of it. I live in a cold climate and it gets lots of miles put on it...lot's.

So far, so good...since April 2011.

Not to hijack, Brian, but which SD cooler do you have? (6" tall one?) and where do you have it mounted?

Thanks,
Todd Z.
 

fordguy

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Not to hijack, Brian, but which SD cooler do you have? (6" tall one?) and where do you have it mounted?

Thanks,
Todd Z.

bumping this back up to Brian, to which cooler he is using and mount location?
 

ntsqd

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FWIW I put the air to oil cooler first in the sequence, but with a t-stat that by-passes it until the fluid is warm.
That way when the fluid is cold the radiator heat exchanger has a chance to get it warm w/o working against the Aux cooler. And when the converter is working hard the Aux cooler can dump as much heat as is possible before it gets to the radiator.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hda-163
 

sykanr0ng

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The "in radiator" heat exchanger should still be used if an aux cooler is installed.
Don't be fooled by the size of the little heat exchanger. It would take a huge air cooler to do the same cooling.
Also, the manufacturers of the aux coolers I've used, recommended that the fluid goes through the radiator heat exchanger first.
The idea is that heat transfers best at the highest temperature differential.
https://www.haydenauto.com/Installation-FAQs/Content.aspx

Oil to water heat exchangers are more efficient at removing heat than oil to air coolers, so in most uses the oil to water method is used first and the oil to air is used in addition to it.
There should be a thermostat keeping the fluid out of the oil to air cooler until it reaches operating temperature.
 

ntsqd

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Yup, we can argue this until that cows come home and still not arrive at an agreement. I'll stick with putting the aux cooler first, on a t-stat, because if I'm working the converter hard it means that I'm also working the engine hard and I don't want to be adding any more heat to it's coolant than necessary. This is particularly important to me when the engine's cooling system is marginal to start with.
Others don't see it that way and that is fine. As long as I don't have to drive their trucks in those conditions I don't care how they decide to do it.

I do recognize that the wetted surface of a liquid to liquid heat exchanger is more effective, per unit of surface area, than a liquid to air heat exchanger. However, I also recognize that the most heat transfer occurs where the temperature difference is the greatest.
 
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