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1970 Bronco Newb Questions

grinnergetter

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Hello, I've recently picked up a 70 Bronco uncut and have a few questions AFTER much research.
The previous owner had the Bronco for almost 30 years and I'm sure the suspension is quite tired. Engine is at 160K. So it really needs a refresh. Planning on DD with some extra oomf. Bronco will remain uncut.


Having trouble deciding between running stock suspension or 2.5 lift. Could anyone tell me the ride/body height of a relatively new stock suspension? Wondering how much mine has sagged.


Vintage Air. Has anyone run longer lines from pump to cab and hidden them? I know that's a stretch but looking for experience and possibly line length/ routing ideas.


Front disc upgrade. Was a hydroboost a worthy upgrade over a booster setup? I have a 73 F250 with hydro and have never been "overwhelmed with joy" at the amount of braking power. This is due to the fact that I never ran it without the hydro. Truck was a complete rivets out resto.


Will I have to have a body lift to run 351W?


Roof rack. Pros/cons, is one attachment method better than others?

Have any ideas on how to clean inside of frame really good before rust prevention. Frame is completely solid but it lives in Indiana now and rust happens. Looking to slow it down as best I can.


Thanks if you have any input. Much appreciated.
 

sanndmann3

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Welcome to the sickness... ;) Best resource for Early Bronco's is right here...
I can't answer all your questions but I can say I REALLY like hydroboost. Previously had vac. booster but wasn't impressed. Hydro made a big difference.
Others will weigh in but I think a 1" body lift will make room for the 351. Not sure if you can tuck it in without the body lift...?
You will really like the 351 another highly recommended mod.
 

Attac

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Welcome,
Get a tape measure and measure from the top of axles to the top of frame right above. Stock height is 7". Front and rear.
For the question about hydro... Some love them some hate them. I run a dual diaphragm booster with a extra booster tank on the 37s on both of ours and they stop great. But if you have a big cam you prob won't have the 15 vacuume that a booster works best at. Others will give you pros and cons.
I also feel the 1" body lift is one of the best mods you can do. Gives trans and transfer that little extra room. I always use the WH integrated body lift bushings so I get new body bushings and body lift for the cost of just one.
Oh yea I have been pretty impressed with POR. You can spray it up in frame with a extension like they used to do undercoating inside doors and such.
Chuck
Ps post pic;D
 

pcf_mark

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Hi and welcome to the club! You found the best site - there are some many helpful and knowledgeable people on here. I'll try and answer your questions based on my experience. My first recommendation is to drive your truck a while and see what you do and do not like about it before taking it apart for anything too long - that can be a recipe for a stalled project.

My truck is 50 years old and the springs gave up in the last few years so I would think about that. I think the rear is supposed to have 7" between the top of the axle and the frame. With replacement stock springs I just put on some much larger 31x10.5-17 wheels and tries and it looks amazing.

I would do discs, power steering and hydroboost first because it made the truck so much safer and enjoyable to drive. Takes a weekend but you end up with a much better rig.
 

DirtDonk

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Hey grinnergetter, welcome! Hope we can help you make your Bronco a good road experience for you. They can be, but depending on what PO's have done, can be a bit of work to get there. Maybe yours is almost there already, what with being almost stock original as it sits now.

Definitely post pics when you can. We love to see all Broncos in any condition. (especially nice clean ones to get jealous about of course...)
You can't upload directly to your post unless you become a contributor for 12 bucks a year. But in the meantime you can use an online image hosting site (other than PhotoBucket that is) and link the photos to here. Or you can use your "garage" system by going to your User CP above.
But if you feel it's going to be worth if for you, the 12 bucks is well spent.

...The previous owner had the Bronco for almost 30 years and I'm sure the suspension is quite tired. Engine is at 160K. So it really needs a refresh. Planning on DD with some extra oomf. Bronco will remain uncut.

I see a lot of "well, while I'm doing this..." money being spent.
You'll learn a lot about the snowball effect working on an old truck!

Having trouble deciding between running stock suspension or 2.5 lift. Could anyone tell me the ride/body height of a relatively new stock suspension? Wondering how much mine has sagged.

As Attac mentiond, 7" in the front (but usually 6" in the back) will get you within half an inch either way of what is considered stock.
Measure between the top of the axle tube and the bottom of the frame rail and that will get you there. Your half-cab may sit high in the rear, and that's perfectly normal. There were generally two different GVWR setups on EB's of any given year. The higher load capacity would have had one more leaf and have sat higher when the Bronco's full hard top was removed, or it was a half-cab to begin with.

Vintage Air. Has anyone run longer lines from pump to cab and hidden them? I know that's a stretch but looking for experience and possibly line length/ routing ideas.

Actually there was a discussion about it here just a month or so ago I thought. Some have done it already, but most are just using the kits as is. On mine, member 904Bronco here used a combination of Vintage Air and BC Broncos kits. Not to hide the lines, so much as to just run things the way he wanted. And he liked aspects of both company's designs.
But someone mounted theirs outside or hidden. It was either here on an EB, or over on Ford-Trucks on a '73-'79 pickup or Bronco. But I thought it was here we were discussing it.
Maybe someone with better search skills than mine will find the thread and post a link.

Front disc upgrade.

Probably still the single best Bronco upgrade there is.

Was a hydroboost a worthy upgrade over a booster setup? I have a 73 F250 with hydro and have never been "overwhelmed with joy" at the amount of braking power.

It is worth it to most, as was said. The Bronco vacuum booster was marginal, and when going with a larger master you can feel it with the extra effort needed to push the fluid.
Stock was 1" bore master and many up-size theirs to 1.125" bores.
The general recommendation is that for smaller tires, vacuum is fine. For larger tires, hydro-boost is worth the premium in cost and effort.

As a comparison though, I have Ford disc brakes on my '71 and they are still manually operated. No boost at all in other words, and I like them the best.
But they are not large tires either.
My '68 has vacuum boost and 31's and is not that substantial in the braking department either. But don't forget that friction material has a ton of effect on power and "feel" when it comes to brakes.

Bottom line though, is if you are going with 33" or larger tires, and like a powerful brake, then hydro is the way to go.
If you're going to stay with smaller tires in the 31" and smaller area, but really like powerful brakes, then hydro is still the way to go.

Will I have to have a body lift to run 351W?

Many of us have snuck 351's under a stock hood with stock body insulators. But it's really, really close. If one thing is not as low as you can get it, OR if your body mounts are even slightly sagged, you'll hit something.
That's why the 1" body lift is so popular, as the others have mentioned. It gives you just what you need.

And it doesn't hurt that it makes more room for modern transmissions too. And a little extra room for working under the truck and running fuel, hydro and electric stuff as well.

Roof rack. Pros/cons, is one attachment method better than others?

Personal preference at some level. I'm sure one method is better than another, or not. But with such big drip rails all the way around the hard top, it's hard to avoid the simplicity of a clamp type setup.
Not many are running racks I don't think, but not many here will argue against it. Both in looks and functionality, they can be good or bad depending purely on personal opinion.

Some known downsides are noise and aerodynamic drag (related of course, but different symptoms) and higher center-of-gravity when loaded. But the added carrying room is hard to argue with.
And they look "purposeful" to me, so I like them. Even the old-school safari style racks.

Have any ideas on how to clean inside of frame really good before rust prevention. Frame is completely solid but it lives in Indiana now and rust happens. Looking to slow it down as best I can.

There's a great thread here where someone used the Eastwood stuff that was mentioned. And I think they even made their own custom wand for cleaning, brushing and coating.
Sort of like a bottle-brush for frames.

Good luck! Have fun too...

Paul
 

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I have a 70, 2.5" Suspension lift, no body lift. Mine is a city dweller. If i did it all over again, I would do 1" body and stock suspension because it's easier to get in and out of as a daily driver.

I added power disc brakes. I can't speak to hydroboost but regular power discs work for my use.
 

metal1

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I left mine stock height and just did DD upgrades. vacuum power brakes Nissan power steering just made it very dependable and fun to drive has been from cabo to Alaska .;)
 
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grinnergetter

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Wow, thanks to everyone for all of the info. cleared up more than few ? I had.

I'm sure there is a button to use a CC to join but I can't find it. Dont do paypal.

I know Photobucket is back but they hid a 60+ build thread on my truck and kinda have a sour taste after that. LOL

Thanks everyone!!!!
 

DirtDonk

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Sour taste is right! I'm not sure what they were thinking, or what internal committee convinced everyone that it would be a great thing for the company to do what they did. But I'd love to see some numbers sometime, to see just how many users they lost right off the top.

Here's your basic sign-up info: http://classicbroncos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34373 (from the top of the Chat page stickies)

Thanks

Paul
 

sykanr0ng

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Sour taste is right! I'm not sure what they were thinking, or what internal committee convinced everyone that it would be a great thing for the company to do what they did. But I'd love to see some numbers sometime, to see just how many users they lost right off the top.

Here's your basic sign-up info: http://classicbroncos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34373 (from the top of the Chat page stickies)

Thanks

Paul

Before that they were said to have one hundred million users.
If they had asked politely for $10 each they would be a one billion dollar a year business.
 
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grinnergetter

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Yup, no cc available. I am occasionally blind and the cheaters power has gone up significantly lately.
 

Attac

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If I remember correctly when you push the PayPal button it takes you to a page to use cc. No PayPal acct required. Unless Jon changed it since I renewed a few months ago
Chuck
 

Rustytruck

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2 things you need to do first. Decide on what tire size you want to run and get the axles properly geared for the tires you choose. From there you can make proper decisions on the other modifications you want to make and wont have to redue anything as you change your mind.
 

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I was never happy with the feel of the vacuum booster and swapping to hydro was one of my best swaps. 351w will fit with the right manifold and air cleaner. The stock ford low profile manifold is the lowest I've found. I've grabbed a couple off economies but some other guys have part numbers. For suspension height bc had the measurements on their site to figure out stock vs lifts.
 
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grinnergetter

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That pic procedure is solved…..maybe
 

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grinnergetter

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I give up. How would I know that the pics would show sideways if i can't preview the post??????

Just turn your head sideways. LOL

I have a Bronco door to work on now.
 
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grinnergetter

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sykanOng, looked last night and there is no mfg. stamping or ID. They are pretty cool. They have a groove down each side along the bottom and thumbscrews hold them to bracket which is bolted to inner fender. Removable if necessary.
 

DirtDonk

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I haven't seen boxes like that in a long time. And two of them too!
Very cool.

A couple companies that come to mind (both gone now I think) are Runck and Con-Fer.
But they don't look like the Con-Fer stuff I remember. I wonder if they were Red originally, or painted by the installer? Guessing they came that way.
They're probably just "boxes" that someone re-purposed for under-hood use.

We've all run into that sideways picture problem gg. I was immune for a couple of years for some reason, but now mine are almost always sideways. Even when I take the shot with the camera/phone straight up!

Anyway, thanks for being a contributor to the site and for the pics. Is that a gray re-spray, or the original Blue that has just faded evenly all around?
Nice looking rig. A project for sure, but looks like it can be driven right now while you play with it.

Have fun.

Paul
 
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