• Welcome to ClassicBroncos! - You are currently viewing the forums as a GUEST. To take advantage of all the site features, please take a moment to register. It's fast, simple and absolutely free. So please join our community today!
    If you have problems registering or can't log into your account, please contact Admin.

351 Cleveland question

Miker

Bronco Guru
Joined
Jul 15, 2009
Messages
1,573
Okay guys, I'm all over the map on this. I'm probably going to scrap my plans to re-build the 351 W due to the .060 overbore already. But, now I have located a 1972 351 Cleveland Cobra Jet HO that is totally unmolested, standard bore still! It is dissasembled so I can inspect the whole enchilada. The guy wants $1,250 for it and i might be able to haggle a bit.

What are your thoughts? I really like the idea of trying to run a relatively close "period correct" motor in my Eb.

Are their any "unintended consequences" in front of me that I'm blind to? What's a 351 C that's?:? never been rebuilt yet worth these days?
Thanks!
Mike
 

67broncorebuild

Sr. Member
Joined
May 29, 2008
Messages
426
Loc.
stanwood Wa
The cobra jet is nice, but really,,, do you need it?
I just picked up a 351C 2v standard bore size, carb to oil pan, with a extra set of factory rebuilt heads, for $375.
Granted its not the 4v open quench heads, but i am going for a torque monster kit for it. The kit brings me to 450-475 hp, at 4,700 rpm's.
just my.02
 

bax

Contributor
Old Member
Joined
Aug 22, 2005
Messages
14,493
If it has all the good parts in it is worth that, however a 72 is most likely a 2 bolt block with open chamber heads. So I think the price is high. I will have to check up on my cleveland specs.
 

bax

Contributor
Old Member
Joined
Aug 22, 2005
Messages
14,493
Here you go. As you can see the 72 cleveland was nothing special. So in my opinion you would be paying too much.
Bax

H-code

The majority of 351 Cleveland engines are H-code 2V (2-venturi carburetor) versions with low compression. They were produced from 1970 through 1974 and were used on a variety of Ford models, from ponycar to fullsize.

M-code

The M-code version was produced from 1970 through 1971. Both years offered quench heads but 1970 offered a slightly higher (advertised) 11.0:1 compression ratio whereas in 1971 the chamber was opened up slightly reducing the advertised compression to 10.7:1. The 1970 4V head is identified with the proper date code casting and a "4" cast on the upper corner of the head. The 1971 4V head is identified with a "4*" (four-dot) casting at the same location. Hydraulic lifters were also specified, with the M-code producing about 300 hp (224 kW). 2-bolt main caps were used along with a cheaper cast iron intake manifold.

1971 R-code (Boss 351)

The 1971 R-code "Boss 351" used higher compression (11.7:1) with the quench head 4V heads, solid lifters, an aluminum intake manifold, and 4-bolt main caps. so It produced about 330 hp (246 kW).


1972 R-code

The R-code 351 Cleveland for 1972 was considerably different. It had reduced compression for emissions compliance and used open-chamber heads. It had a solid lifter camshaft, however a four barrel carburetor was retained. It produced 275 hp (205 kW) using the new SAE net system.


Q-code (Cobra-Jet)

The Q-code "351 Cobra Jet" version was produced from May 1971 through the 1974 model year. It was a low-compression design that included open-chamber "4V" heads, a special intake manifold, special hi-lift long duration hydraulic camshaft, special valve springs and dampers, a 750 CFM 4300-D Motorcraft Carburetor, dual-point distributor, and 4-bolt main bearing caps. It was rated at 266 hp (198 kW) (SAE net) for 1972 when installed in the Mustang and 248 hp in the Ford Torino and Mercury Montego. The horsepower rating dropped in 1973 to 246 hp for the 4-barrel for the intermediate Fords, and still retained the higher 266 hp rating in the Mustang. The 351 CJ (now referred to simply as the "351 4V") was rated at 255 hp in 1974 and was only installed in the Ford Torino, Mercury Montego and the Mercury Cougar.
 
OP
OP
M

Miker

Bronco Guru
Joined
Jul 15, 2009
Messages
1,573
Bax, thanks for the info. I am pasting the info from the owner. What would you make of this?
Mike

D2AE-CA. 2L20 date code.1972 351 Cobra Jet HO/ Boss 351 block, 4 bolt main, std bore, low mi. never machined. D1AE-GA Date code 0K24 Boss 351 bare cyl heads w/4000 orig mi. Factory machined for screw in studs and guide plates. Closed chamber 62.8cc 2.19/1.71 valve size. TRW L2379F -30 forged pistons on D0AE-A rods. Std/std 4MA crankshaft.
 

bax

Contributor
Old Member
Joined
Aug 22, 2005
Messages
14,493
I would only want the block. you can buy better parts for the rest of the build. $ 1250.00 for what you listed is a lot of money. The heads are not even complete, a good set of valves will set you back plus springs and retainers. Wow not a deal at all in my opinion. Try and get the block for $ 250.00 and then buy a good stroker rotating assembly with the rest.
 

broncnaz

Bronco Guru
Joined
May 22, 2003
Messages
24,341
I'd have to agree its not worth it. Not only that there are a few exhuast issues to deal with when swapping a C into a EB.
I'm sure you could find a 351W builder for way less. Didnt you just get some TFS heads they'd be perfect on a 351W.
 

ugly74

Bronco abuser
Joined
Apr 17, 2006
Messages
2,847
that might be worth it to a guy restoring a mustang who needs numbers to match...but otherwise that's too much money. you could get a run of the mill 351c for way cheaper.
 
Top