5.0 Explorer Front

[skerrybronco]

Starting to get my engine buttoned up, oil pan is painted and on with a couple bolts to keep the dust out, dug out some explorer front parts, got a new seal for the timing cover. So I was re reading the 5.0 explorer front conversion and it says I have to remove my cam bolt and oil slinger, Im sure many of you have been here before, I just hate to mess with something the engine builder put together is this a must, it also says we may have to mill down the bolt see figure 3a.I don't see anything, I will drop the pan tomorrow and see if this clears or not, If I do remove the cam bolt, was is the torque spec to put it back
thanks in advance for any help on this.

 

[DirtDonk]

First off, that's not a stock Bronco part under the cam gear bolt. What is it? Is that what a cam position sensor stator looks like? Is that a "VDO" I see stamped in there?
Showing my ignorance, but have never seen one of those even under the cover of an Explorer or Mustang.
Curious what others say.

Some cam bolts are torqued to 40-45 lbs, but I'll see if I can find more info to prove that out.

Where did you read about milling the bolt and that "figure A" quote? Timing chain install instructions?

Good luck.

Paul

 

[badmuttstang]

That is a oil slinger on the end of the camshaft don't see many of them like it but it is. You can remove it but I would look in to getting the slinger that goes on the crankshaft if you do. Everyone I know that has had one has removed theirs to do the same set up with no problems. Paul is correct its 40-45 ft/lbs for the can bolt. If you remove the slinger you will also need to swap to the shorter can dowel pin.

 

[skerrybronco]

First off, that's not a stock Bronco part under the cam gear bolt. What is it? Is that what a cam position sensor stator looks like? Is that a "VDO" I see stamped in there?
Showing my ignorance, but have never seen one of those even under the cover of an Explorer or Mustang.
Curious what others say.

Some cam bolts are torqued to 40-45 lbs, but I'll see if I can find more info to prove that out.

Where did you read about milling the bolt and that "figure A" quote? Timing chain install instructions?

Good luck.

Paul

thanks Paul
the block is a 92 mustang 5.0, built by a performance engine builder
I do not no if the slinger is stock or not ( first Ford Build for me )

the tech article on this site.
http://classicbroncos.com/tech/explorer-5-0-serpentine-accessory-drive-belt-conversion

the paragraph under the cover paragraph
Cover. The timing cover and the pulley (Fig. 3A)

Installation is pretty much like any Ford small block timing cover, so follow all the rules on that, especially getting the crankshaft seal up to spec if its old. If you have a fuel pump eccentric for a mechanical fuel pump it will need to be removed and the cam pin may need to be cut or ground so the washer sits flush on the cam gear. The cam pin protrudes through the eccentric to lock it to the gear. Late model engines without a mechanical fuel pump may have an L-shaped oil slinger installed under the cam bolt. This would also need to be removed. Also note that some timing gears are wider than stock and may require other modifications to fit under the Explorer cover. For example the cam bolt head in Figure 3A needed to be milled 0.090” to provide adequate clearance. Your best course of action is to check your cam bolt to timing cover clearance prior to final installation of the timing cover.

I am heading into the garage soon and try some fitting once the oil pan is off,
I need to go get some silly putty

 

[skerrybronco]

That is a oil slinger on the end of the camshaft don't see many of them like it but it is. You can remove it but I would look in to getting the slinger that goes on the crankshaft if you do. Everyone I know that has had one has removed theirs to do the same set up with no problems. Paul is correct its 40-45 ft/lbs for the can bolt. If you remove the slinger you will also need to swap to the shorter can dowel pin.

thanks badmuttstang

this just woke me up I don't think I have the dowel pins
I started with a block with a screwed up crank, are the dowels fairly loose and would have fallen out or stayed in the last timing cover

 

[baddad457]

That slinger/ cam position piece may not be a Ford part, but I've taken more than a few 5.0's apart that had an identical part made by Ford. The cam bolt torque is 45 ft/lbs. The cover used alignment dowels to positively locate the cover to align the seal to the crank, so if you have an earlier block that's not machined for the dowels, you'll have to align the cover using a tool or the balancer itself.

 

[badmuttstang]

The dowel pin I was referring to was the camshaft one that helps locate the timing gear on the cam. There is a long one and a short one it should have the long one in it right now to help the slinger rotate with the timing chain. That is a stock slinger and they do sell them in a cam/timing chain accessory kit when needed. As for the shorter dowel pin not sure if they sell them separte id try Napa tell them you need a timing chain/camshaft dowel pin. It will pull out when you remove the top gear just line up your timing marks and pull it apart.

 

[badmuttstang]

Oh and the timing cover dowel pins can be bought just so you can see what I'm talking about the dowel pin for the cam is the one below the bolt and the cover dowel pins are above the bolt. The pin for the cam is shorter than the one pictured when you buy a cam it comes with two pins.
http://www.compperformancegroupstores.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CC&Product_Code=235&Category_Code=351WMisc

 

[skerrybronco]

The dowel pin I was referring to was the camshaft one that helps locate the timing gear on the cam. There is a long one and a short one it should have the long one in it right now to help the slinger rotate with the timing chain. That is a stock slinger and they do sell them in a cam/timing chain accessory kit when needed. As for the shorter dowel pin not sure if they sell them separte id try Napa tell them you need a timing chain/camshaft dowel pin. It will pull out when you remove the top gear just line up your timing marks and pull it apart.

thanks for the info
I did not get a chance to get to the garage today, I will get in there this evening and check it for clearance, thanks again

 

[skerrybronco]

The dowel pin I was referring to was the camshaft one that helps locate the timing gear on the cam. There is a long one and a short one it should have the long one in it right now to help the slinger rotate with the timing chain. That is a stock slinger and they do sell them in a cam/timing chain accessory kit when needed. As for the shorter dowel pin not sure if they sell them separte id try Napa tell them you need a timing chain/camshaft dowel pin. It will pull out when you remove the top gear just line up your timing marks and pull it apart.

So got in the garage tonight, and the slinger definitely has to go, I will call my engine builder and see if he has the shorter pin, I can't even centre the gears as I don't have a balancer crank bolt, I will need to source this tomorrow,
also I was looking at my balancer, and I better not take any chance and sleeve
it,
thanks again

 

[badmuttstang]

When you talk with him tomorrow ask if he has the dowels for the timing cover as well it will make the install easier. If he doesn't I might have some lying around and will ship them to you if you want no charge.

 

[skerrybronco]

When you talk with him tomorrow ask if he has the dowels for the timing cover as well it will make the install easier. If he doesn't I might have some lying around and will ship them to you if you want no charge.

thanks very kind of you
I bought some on ebay today, and as I was paying I thought about my engine builder, as he must have had the assembly kit, If he does have I will take them anyway to speed up the process,

you don't happen to have a 5.0 timing pointer that you don't want an arm and a leg for

thanks again

 

[badmuttstang]

I know I have a factory stamped steel one lying around just pay shipping and its yours.

 

[skerrybronco]

I know I have a factory stamped steel one lying around just pay shipping and its yours.

how much to J7V9Y8, i am in canada

also do you know of anybody trimming the slinger down to about half to clear
and still sling

 

[badmuttstang]

Unfortunately it looks like $15.00 didn't think it would be so high but it is to Canada and I do know it costs a little more to ship there. As for trimming the slinger I have heard of some doing it but don't know how well it worked out so I can't give you a definite answer as to do it or not. I know some say it might throw off the balance but not sure if that's true.

 

[DirtDonk]

I don't even know why a slinger is there. What's it trying to control the oil, or slinging away from in the first place?
And why is it like a blade instead of a full circle? Is it trying to whip up a froth for some reason? What's a partial circle accomplishing?

I could almost see it being some sort of balancer for a missing fuel pump eccentric, but again, why, when other Ford engines don't have anything like it, or have a full-circle pump eccentric with quite a bit more bulk?
Strange... Can't wait to hear what it is exactly.

Paul

 

[skerrybronco]

Unfortunately it looks like $15.00 didn't think it would be so high but it is to Canada and I do know it costs a little more to ship there. As for trimming the slinger I have heard of some doing it but don't know how well it worked out so I can't give you a definite answer as to do it or not. I know some say it might throw off the balance but not sure if that's true.

I know shipping t canada sucks for me ......Can I paypal you

 

[skerrybronco]

I don't even know why a slinger is there. What's it trying to control the oil, or slinging away from in the first place?
And why is it like a blade instead of a full circle? Is it trying to whip up a froth for some reason? What's a partial circle accomplishing?

I could almost see it being some sort of balancer for a missing fuel pump eccentric, but again, why, when other Ford engines don't have anything like it, or have a full-circle pump eccentric with quite a bit more bulk?
Strange... Can't wait to hear what it is exactly.

Paul

My engine builder says it has to do with the timing sensor and can be removed
Need a crank bolt before I do anything, I may trim it down to clear and leave it there...

 

[badmuttstang]

Yes I will take PayPal I will pm you my info. As for the oil slinger I'm not sure why its used either but here's a listing for it on late model restore for those that haven't seen one listed as a slinger.
http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/LRS-6287BK/1986-95-Mustang-Engine-Finishing-Hardware-Kit-for-Efi

 

[baddad457]

When you talk with him tomorrow ask if he has the dowels for the timing cover as well it will make the install easier. If he doesn't I might have some lying around and will ship them to you if you want no charge.

If he's got a pre 1980's block, then the dowels for the timing cover will be useless. The block has to be machined for the dowels as well as the timing cover.