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Auto vs Standard Shift

fordguy

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As I patiently impatiently wait on the rebuild of my 4r70, I am lamenting my decision. The older I get the more I see the remove and replace method being used. Finding someone local, trustworthy, capable and dependable seems to be harder and harder. Truck is ready, if I had a manual I would be shifting gears like I was in Crazy Horse. Remember when h e threw a belt? I have driven standard shift since the 60s. Wining over, what is it like in your region?
 

Broncobowsher

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As much as I am a manual transmission guy, not everything is. The 4R70W where I got to dial in my own shift points was the best auto I had. Because I programmed it to shift like how I would shift a stick.

There are times where driving an auto is nice. Playing in big rocks, I like an auto. But just plucking along on a rocky trail, I like a good stick. I can keep momentum better with a stick. When the rocks get too big for momentum, auto. But with an auto, I like less torque convertor. Lot of gear with an auto is a lot better control then trying to get the same torque multiplied via a convertor.

If I add it up right, I have only owned 5 autos. Couple of 4R70W, a 5-speed, C6, and a 7-speed. Manuals, 3-speed (floor and column), 4-speeds, 5-speeds, and a 6-speed. Spread over too many vehicles to keep track of. I have way more miles on the manuals than I do with autos. All the motorcycles are full clutch manual as well, three 5-speeds but only one 6-speed. Short time with a 3-wheeler that was manual (forgot how many gears) but auto clutch, but didn't own long enough to really count.

What's better? Depends on what you want and what you want to do with it.
 
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fordguy

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As much as I am a manual transmission guy, not everything is. The 4R70W where I got to dial in my own shift points was the best auto I had. Because I programmed it to shift like how I would shift a stick.

There are times where driving an auto is nice. Playing in big rocks, I like an auto. But just plucking along on a rocky trail, I like a good stick. I can keep momentum better with a stick. When the rocks get too big for momentum, auto. But with an auto, I like less torque convertor. Lot of gear with an auto is a lot better control then trying to get the same torque multiplied via a convertor.

If I add it up right, I have only owned 5 autos. Couple of 4R70W, a 5-speed, C6, and a 7-speed. Manuals, 3-speed (floor and column), 4-speeds, 5-speeds, and a 6-speed. Spread over too many vehicles to keep track of. I have way more miles on the manuals than I do with autos. All the motorcycles are full clutch manual as well, three 5-speeds but only one 6-speed. Short time with a 3-wheeler that was manual (forgot how many gears) but auto clutch, but didn't own long enough to really count.

What's better? Depends on what you want and what you want to do with it.
My view comes from not having reliable automatic mechanics in the area, like you have driven more manuals
 

SLOWnEASY

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I went to Automatics back in the 90's and haven't looked back. A couple of my kids have manuals so I get to drive one when I have the urge. But mostly I want to just get in and press the go pedal.
 

ep67bro

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I have had both auto and manual Broncos. Both have there place. My 67 is a manual and has had two different trans in it over the last 20 years, Started with the stock 3 on the tree, then went to a floor shifter then swapped in a NP-435. I liked the nostalgia of the 3 on the tree but the linkage sucked and getting it into gear was a chore, the floor shifter made it more fun to drive and made it better off the road, the NP-435 was still kind of fun but way better off road with that low 1st gear. the NP-435 swap I did myself, put all new gaskets in it cleaned it up and slapped it in now problems with it in the last 10 years. Dosent get much more simple than that manual trans. But on trails with lots of stop and go, hills, or big rocks I wished I had an auto. All the other auto broncos I had never made it off road except for my wife's 2022 6G, and that thing made blue trails a walk in the park! But that's in part to the longer wheel base, soft suspension and all the other modern do dads.

Trans rebuilders around here suck too. I have used two different ones, and both did crappy jobs, Trans still leaked after rebuilds and the other put some kind of shift kit in the C4 that made it shift so hard I thought it was going to throw a drive shaft every time it down shifted. Went back to him and he said that the way it should shift!

As I get older the more I appreciate the ease of the autos, I don't think I would buy another car with a manual trans but if it was a classic muscle or sports car it would have to be a manual.
 

Jakedog

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Non bronco transmission story, but another crappy transmission shop.
In 2019 my '04 Tacoma 4x4 auto transmission took a dump on me.
It was my fault for towing too heavy and not doing regular service intervals.

Anyway, the truck had been super reliable. Transfer case shifted smooth everytime I used it. Put the truck in neutral, shift lever to 4x4, and hit the button on the lever. Smooth as could be. Never a grinding noise whatsoever.

After the transmission was rebuilt I couldn't shift into 4 low without turning the truck off.
If I didn't turn the truck off it would grind really bad. Something was still spinning even though the transmission was in neutral.
I took it back to the shop to complain. The owner of the shop gets in my truck and starts it, and attempts to shift into 4 low.
It grinds horribly, so he slams it into 4 low.

I was tempted to punch him in the side of his head. I told that jackass that it's not supposed to be shifted like that.
I left it overnight so they could "check it out."
Of course they couldn't find anything thing wrong with it.

I still have the truck, and I gave it to my son to drive to college. The transfer case still grinds really bad when trying to shift to 4 low.
Eventually I think I will take it to Toyota to see if they can figure it out.
 
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