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C bushing degree?

FORD*DIEHARD

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Is there a way to identify what degree c bushing this is? There are so many different sizes to choose from I want to make sure i get the correct one? With the condition of these c bushings could this effect anything? Anyone from So Cal that have installed these and been able to avoid the "Bronco lean", and wish you could do it again......send me a message. Not sure if it makes it easier or harder but the radius arms are heim .

Thanks in advance for any help/advice.
 

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Broncobowsher

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Normally it is a quick question of how much lift do you have and make sure you have power steering before telling you to just get the 7° and we are done.

But with the fabbed arms there is probably a caster correction built into the arms. I don't know how much. I don't recognize those arms either. They look nicely done if home made, or were a low production run if aftermarket. Maybe someone will recognize the arms and fill in the details?

When I see blue bushings I generally think they are Duff's.

Just from the looks of things I am guessing that suspension work is old. 15, 20 years ago? The poly has just reached the end of its life.
 
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C bushing

I didn't want to forget to add the pictures and I ended up leaving out the rest of the detail, sorry.

I was going to say, i could take a picture with the shutter closed and there would still be some members in here able to help.

You are right on. Yes the lift was done 20 years ago by West Coast Bronco. It's a 2 1/2 " body with 5" suspension.

Here is more of the front. I want to do a front disc conversion, I have been doing a lot of research and all the vendors have nice kits but I am leaning towards the Duff kit because it uses all Ford parts and I want to go with the hydroboost, again not knocking anyones kit. If I do a front disc conversion what's a good drag link/ tracking bar set or is the one in the picture good just (way overdue) for bushings?

I appreciate everyone s help.
 

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DirtDonk

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Stock tie-rod and drag link, which should fit the Duff brakes I do believe. But a heavier duty version would be called for normally, just for the size of the tires you'd be running with that much lift.

Can't see the upper end of the trackbar to see if it's adjustable, but it also looks stock from here. The trackbar bracket and pitman arm are of the dropped type, which is needed for taller lifts, but they are also designed around a 3" lift or so, which means that they are not enough for a 5" suspension lift on their own. They help, but usually Broncos need more correction to keep their owners happy on the street.

No way to tell from the pics which C-bushings are in place, but you can see that the pinion is pointed in a notably more downward angle than normal, so there was probably quite a bit of caster added. As mentioned, likely some built into the radius arms (hopefully) then the added offset of the C-bushings.
I've seen those radius arms before, but don't remember the details. I want to say that one of the companies like Tough Country (not Rough Country) had something like that for awhile.

Five inch lifts make this relationship between steering angles, caster angles and pinion angles very hard to correct. You can't just keep tilting the axle back to regain caster, because the driveshaft u-joint will eventually bind. The more the lift, the more likely that result. The more the offset in addition to that lift, the more likely that result.

Best thing to do right now would be to have the alignment checked to see what the caster is reading now. Might help make the decision to rely only on the bushings and arms, or go with the old "cut-n-twist" method on the front axle.

Any plans to go lower in the lift department? If not there are some other things that might come in handy with that much lift. But it all depends on how it drives now.

Good luck.

Paul
 

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First, I think you need to go to an alignment and find out your castor value (number).
Then, take your 'c' bushings out and the 'degree' of the bushing should be on the bushing its self. You need this information before you can order the correct bushings. Remember, the alignment shop reading will be with bad bushings. If you are just replacing bushings, the 'degree' of/on the old bushings may be what you go with.


I type way slower than DirtDonk.
 
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DirtDonk

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Hopefully the markings are still visible. Some get wiped completely off, while others stay visible forever.
Personally though, if you're keeping the lift, I'd go back to 2° bushings to get the pinion back up at a generally better angle, then gain your caster back by cutting and turning the outer steering yokes.

Paul
 

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Would definitely swap those out while doing your disc conversion...
 
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