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crate engines- a pig at a poke?
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Blue Bastard
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All off it will bolt back on.
A newer 302 (roller motor) will require a different flywheel and balancer.
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A newer 302 (roller motor) will require a different flywheel and balancer.
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Also need to worry about manual fuel pump on roller motors.
Quick & Dirty
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(off topic) The saying is "pig in a poke."
A poke is a cloth sack. People used to go to fairs with kittens in sacks and try to sell them as piglets. The dupes would wait till they got home to let the cat out of the bag.
A poke is a cloth sack. People used to go to fairs with kittens in sacks and try to sell them as piglets. The dupes would wait till they got home to let the cat out of the bag.
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Actually the Ford Racing crate engines were for a time at least, some of the most popular.
Reasonable pricing (for what you got) and good warranty.
Haven't heard many mention them lately, which tells me that they might be phasing them out in favor of the newer MOD and Coyote overhead cam style engines. Should look at their catalog before I make such a bolt pronouncement I suppose. But that's been their history at times. Once something gets old enough, even though it was one of the most popular and high sales volume engines in their history, eventually they'll just go with support for the most modern stuff.
A new member here is BluePrint (or is it BluePrintEngine?) who is an engine seller. Not sure if they're all true "crate engines" (all brand new stuff, including the block) or if they are rebuilds, or what. But they're getting a pretty good reputation along with some other engine sellers.
Might check their stuff out.
In the meantime, now that you've got me curious, I'm going to go check out Ford Racing to see what they've got in the mild department.
Paul
Reasonable pricing (for what you got) and good warranty.
Haven't heard many mention them lately, which tells me that they might be phasing them out in favor of the newer MOD and Coyote overhead cam style engines. Should look at their catalog before I make such a bolt pronouncement I suppose. But that's been their history at times. Once something gets old enough, even though it was one of the most popular and high sales volume engines in their history, eventually they'll just go with support for the most modern stuff.
A new member here is BluePrint (or is it BluePrintEngine?) who is an engine seller. Not sure if they're all true "crate engines" (all brand new stuff, including the block) or if they are rebuilds, or what. But they're getting a pretty good reputation along with some other engine sellers.
Might check their stuff out.
In the meantime, now that you've got me curious, I'm going to go check out Ford Racing to see what they've got in the mild department.
Paul
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Looks like there is still some decent support for the Windsor family after all. https://performanceparts.ford.com/engines/#302
Probably not as many options as someone that will put one together practically to your specs and even include TBI on it, but still pretty good.
I wonder about the E303 cammed 340hp model, vs the B303 cammed 345hp model though. These might be better for a light car than a heavier Bronco, because the E303 cam is widely acknowledged around these forums and others to be a pretty crappy cam for a Bronco in a standard motor.
Perhaps it's not so bad in a higher compression, aluminum head equipped engine, but plenty of precedent to keep the horsepower lower, or the cam milder, for our trucks.
If you go with Ford factory EFI you will need a ECM tune to help the engine run better with that E303 cam. Got a friend with a standard Mustang computer in his Bronco and it frankly has way too much lope and lacks the throttle response and grunt that we know should be there otherwise.
Lots of similar reports from users of that cam here too.
But at least the Ford Performance group still sells a few options if you decide to go that route.
Good luck.
Paul
Probably not as many options as someone that will put one together practically to your specs and even include TBI on it, but still pretty good.
I wonder about the E303 cammed 340hp model, vs the B303 cammed 345hp model though. These might be better for a light car than a heavier Bronco, because the E303 cam is widely acknowledged around these forums and others to be a pretty crappy cam for a Bronco in a standard motor.
Perhaps it's not so bad in a higher compression, aluminum head equipped engine, but plenty of precedent to keep the horsepower lower, or the cam milder, for our trucks.
If you go with Ford factory EFI you will need a ECM tune to help the engine run better with that E303 cam. Got a friend with a standard Mustang computer in his Bronco and it frankly has way too much lope and lacks the throttle response and grunt that we know should be there otherwise.
Lots of similar reports from users of that cam here too.
But at least the Ford Performance group still sells a few options if you decide to go that route.
Good luck.
Paul
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Big fan of building your own and learning along the way. Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him how to fish, he eats for a lifetime.
You can build your own (current block or newer) and save money in the long run. I might have 4 grand in my built 351W, Ford EFI and a host of new parts.......
Tim
You can build your own (current block or newer) and save money in the long run. I might have 4 grand in my built 351W, Ford EFI and a host of new parts.......
Tim
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I agree with this.
If you build it yourself you know that the parts which are in it are the parts you want.
If you buy it from a big company you get the parts they can make more profit by using, whether those are best for your use or not.
I drive my 73 302 auto as a daily driver, rarely off road. Would like good fuel mileage for a Bronco. I have an Edelbrock carb and intake manifold, believe the compression ratio 8.5/1. I value the knowledge of you guys and would appreciate suggestions of a couple of package builds that might fit my use(different heads, cam, carburetor, EFI, exhaust, maybe an Explorer engine or?). Two pack a day Bronco owner.
Skiddy
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that's what supposedly in mine, no way to really tell for sure.
blubuckaroo
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Oh, then this Coyote Killer won't do at all!
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m6007z460fft/overview/
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Looks like Ford has dropped the 347 crate engine and now only offers the 302 (with either E303 or B303 cam) or the 363 big bore stroker. Both are on the super nice (new) Boss 302 block (nothing to do with the Boss 302 of the 1970's).
I've had great luck with Ford crate engines in my race bronco, having used both the 427 small block and now the 460 small block (both based on the new Boss 351 block).
So I've got this kinda stock 71 uncut bronco with little tires, no suspension lift, 1" body lift and an NV3550 behind an enemic 302. Curry rear end and RCV front shafts. Am I insane for thinking a Ford 363 8.2 deck bored and stroked crate engine would work and not grenade the NV3550 as long as I don't abuse it? It's rated at 450 lb-ft. I want to stick with an 8.2 deck engine, not a 351.
I've had great luck with Ford crate engines in my race bronco, having used both the 427 small block and now the 460 small block (both based on the new Boss 351 block).
So I've got this kinda stock 71 uncut bronco with little tires, no suspension lift, 1" body lift and an NV3550 behind an enemic 302. Curry rear end and RCV front shafts. Am I insane for thinking a Ford 363 8.2 deck bored and stroked crate engine would work and not grenade the NV3550 as long as I don't abuse it? It's rated at 450 lb-ft. I want to stick with an 8.2 deck engine, not a 351.
The bronco I bought has a crate motor from somewhere. I am slowly replacing all the bolt on stuff to decrease the likelihood of ending up on the side of the road. Most of the stuff is relatively inexpensive so I don't mind spending the money for the peace of mind.
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Not at all.
Well, not as long as you adhere to that last bit about not abusing it!;D
While the 3550 is not supposed to last behind that kind of engine, I know a few people that are literally beating on theirs (drag racing any hot-rodder that comes to the stop light) and have not had any complaints about the gearbox, I would still not want to push it too often.
Since the gearbox is stuck in-between the torque of the engine and the traction and weight of the tires, the real lifesaver of the transmission is going to be your choice of gear ratios in the differentials.
If they're too tall for the tire size, you'll likely roast the transmission sooner rather than later. But if you run an appropriately low gear ratio and rely on the overdrive to get you down the road, you'll likely have a good thing going.
So as we like to say... Don't fear the gear!
Paul
