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Explorer Serpentine Charging Issue (Resolved 31 Aug)

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I read thru a couple of threads on this issue. This is where I am currently. 12 volts to green/red with key on and 12 volts at battery and big wire on alt out put. Yellow wire fuse is good, but did not check for constant 12, will do that after lunch. I did change out alternator with another one I had on shelf, but no way to know if they are good? What is next step in finding problem?
 

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You could take one or both of the alternators to Advance Auto, Autozone, Oreilly's and have them check the output. That will tell you if they are good or not.
 
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You could take one or both of the alternators to Advance Auto, Autozone, Oreilly's and have them check the output. That will tell you if they are good or not.
Might as well take both.
 
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And make sure your grounds are clean and good. Cables and physical connections.

You could take one or both of the alternators to Advance Auto, Autozone, Oreilly's and have them check the output. That will tell you if they are good or not.
So Oreilly could not get the alternator setup on their diagnostic machine. AA and AZ are even worse than our Oreillys. SMH
 

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Google for a starter and alternator repair shop near you. While they’re rare, they’re still around.
 
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I am going to fab a little cradle so it will sit in oreillys tester. I could have held it in place but liability would not allow that. We do not have a Napa anymore and all the starter shops. Are gone.
 
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Rebuilt alternator did not solve it. Still only getting 12 volts. Couple of things out of the ordinary, o/d on/off and CEL light seem to be dimly lit. LED turn signals are not working. I also get some sparks whe I hook up negative cable last. Will check LED flasher. Will check grounds also. Thoughts?
 

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Did you test the new alternator while at the shop, to make sure that the new one works?
If not, then when you take it back, have them test it with your jig.

Did you ever confirm battery voltage on the Yellow w/white wire to the regulator?
Usually there is no fuse involved, when people connect it to the BAT output stud on the alternator. And originally there was no fuse from the factory.
Later models might have had a fuse, but I don't know about it.

So, you confirmed that your Green w/red wire has 12v with the key ON.
There is no connection for the White w/black wire on an Explorer 4G, so that should go nowhere on yours.
The Yellow wire needs battery voltage all the time.

Pull the plug and see if any of the contact points are bend or corroded. At the very least, confirm power with a volt-meter on the interior contacts.
Are the Explorer brackets painted or powder coated? If so, run a dedicated ground wire (a large one!) between the alternator case and the engine block, or battery negative.
Verify that you have a good body ground (a couple of them) still.
The grounds you absolutely should have:
1. Main cable to the engine block.
2. Smaller gauge, or a direct splice, from the negative to the body.
3. Smaller gauge (usually 10ga or a braided strap) from the engine to the body.
4. And of course, there absolutely needs to be a good connection between the alternator, any brackets, the engine block, and therefor the battery.

Don't think it would make a difference, but you know the belt is turning the alternator the correct direction? Again, probably does not matter. But it doesn't hurt to find out.
When you get a chance, post up some pics of your setup.

Paul
 
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Definitely getting voltage at green wire, but I don’t believe it is exciting the alt or I would be getting more than 12 volts at alternator. I will have new alternator tested tomorrow. Guess I will put jumpers on the plug to make sure i am getting voltage on to male pins. Will check grounds tomorrow.
 
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Test voltage from the alternator charge post to the alternator case. If it is normal there you have a grounding or cable issue.
Running? And use the case as ground? Normal, meaning 12 volts not 14?
 

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Yes running should be 14v, alternator sud to alternator case. That is also assuming you checked for the same voltage at the alternator stud to the negative on the battery. It should match battery positive to negative voltage.

Went through this on the Mrs 96 exploder. Wasn’t charging, low voltage at the battery. Checked it at the alternator 14v. Chased it down to a bad ground cable. The starter made enough current to jump and go but alternator wouldn’t charge. New ground cable and good as new.
 
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I have 1.7 volts with the case as ground. 11.43 with better as ground, slowly going down was 12.10 earlier. The meter readout was bouncing a bit with case as ground. Same if I used the bolt that holds alt. As ground.
 

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My ground from case of alternator, using battery cable, goes to battery ground, then block, then frame. I'm grounded.
 
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My mount is powdercoated, When I did not get same voltage using case as ground, i knew it was most likely a ground issue.
 
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