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Fuel pumps

naneumranch

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Pros and cons electric or mechanical fuel pump? New motor is done going to stay with the carburetor for time being and don't want a in tank pump do electric would be frame rail mounted.


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bronconut73

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Search Carter fuel pump here on CB.

Many threads about it.
It is the favorite electric pump here.

Electric

Cons
Noisy

Pros
Steady fuel flow
No regulator needed with this Carter
You can rig up a tiny hidden switch for theft deterrent
Easy to replace in the field
If your eb sits for long periods you can flip on the fuel pump and fill your carb fuel bowls for near instant starts.


Mechanical

Pros
Set it and forget it
OEM

Cons
Build quality has deteriorated over the years
When it fails it can fill your crank case with gas
Difficult to replace in the field
Fluctuations in flow with low quality units


They both actually have their merits.

I'm about to go electric to accommodate the Explorer Serp.
 

MikeKC130J

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Pros and cons electric or mechanical fuel pump? New motor is done going to stay with the carburetor for time being and don't want a in tank pump do electric would be frame rail mounted.


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I put my carter on the rear crossmember in front of the tank, in this picture it is upside down, I had to flip it over. I can't even hear it. I must have lucked out.
Hope it helps.
 

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naneumranch

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Thanks guys I'm leaning towards the electric pump. I like the anti theft switch idea .


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pcf_mark

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If you do go mechanical get a good one - Holley makes one with a diaphragm that is bullet proof. It can take modern crap fuel and not fail. I bought several of the AirTex brand from Advance and they dont last very long.
 

bronco t

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Has anyone mounted the Carter more forward on the frame rail, specifically near the auxiliary tank? Never used a Carter, but I used to mount the old Dupree / Walbro forward like this, and never had a problem? But that was thirty years ago!
 

jckkys

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RockAuto has the OE type Carter pump for 12.69. These have a large vent hole to let fuel or oil out before it can go into the crank case. This has yet to happen to me. For over 50 yrs. in many cars and trucks I've gotten at least 10 yrs service from them. That includes 3 EBs. Daily drivers have no problem, but carbs that sit for a week can need cranking to refill the bowl/bowls. Otherwise, they are completely reliable and quiet. Why fix what isn't broken?
 

Pa PITT

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I run the 4BT Cummins .. I 1st ran a stock cummins electric pump that went on the 1st 12V MOTORS. It was noisy . On those motors it bolted to the side of the motor.
But I placed it under my driver side seat & back just slightly. It was still very noisy.
.... SO I Bought a Cater & placed it at the same location. I'll swear it made more noise than my Cummins pump.
... So I remounted the stock Cummins pump FARTHER BACK .. AT About the REAR axle I still hear the damn thing over my Diesel.
NOW .. I realize you guys don't have my diesel nor used your Broncos like I DO MINE.
But mine is a half cab & I use it as a service Truck on the farm. Mine has an old time head ake rack . So I have bolted another Electric Cummins Pump to that headake rack . I have a toggle switch running power to it. I use this pump to transfer fuel to my tractors . Yes it's slow ..But that leave time to get out the grease gun.
I keep a 55gal barrel in my Dodge pickup . I take it to the tractors & then my Bronco is there to do the transfer of fuel.
... But My biggest thought is that If I'm at the ranch in New Mexico in my Bronco. & My lift pump goes out. Not a problem I'll have fuel In an Artillery can & I can just hook up one fuel line & I'm back in business. & Even if I have to bleed my injectors .. I can crack 2 of them flip the pump on & when the spit . tight them up & crank it up.
.. I've done this several times as I've ran out of fuel on the farm.
.......... I guess I'm kind of saying think outside the box. Electric pump are noisy but Man there are very helpful in tight places.
 

sykanr0ng

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RockAuto has the OE type Carter pump for 12.69. These have a large vent hole to let fuel or oil out before it can go into the crank case. This has yet to happen to me. For over 50 yrs. in many cars and trucks I've gotten at least 10 yrs service from them. That includes 3 EBs. Daily drivers have no problem, but carbs that sit for a week can need cranking to refill the bowl/bowls. Otherwise, they are completely reliable and quiet. Why fix what isn't broken?

I have had that happen.
It is amazing how fast one of those will pump a F100 gas tank empty through that hole.
Yes, it was still getting gas to the carb too.
 

sykanr0ng

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An inertial switch will shut off an electric fuel pump.
Roll-over accidents have become common and the OEM's take that into account, all newer vehicles use electric fuel pumps.

After a wreck the engine may stay running until oil starvation makes it seize, so a mechanical fuel pump may still be pumping after an accident.
 

bmc69

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If you do go mechanical get a good one - Holley makes one with a diaphragm that is bullet proof. It can take modern crap fuel and not fail. I bought several of the AirTex brand from Advance and they dont last very long.

I agree with you on the Airtex but I've not had good luck with the Holleys either. I try to find a Carter when I need a good mech fuel pump. Or just carry a spare if I'm stuck going with an Airtex.
 

blubuckaroo

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I had installed a Carter 4070 and there certainly are advantages for an electric pump.
However, I switched back to a mechanical because I felt it was safer. If there is a wreck, a mechanical fuel pump stops when the motor shuts off. Sure you can wire the electric pump to a oil pressure switch or impact sensor, but how many times have you actually seen that done? In most cases you'll be lucky to even see a fuse, much less any sort of automatic shut off.

Also, sometimes an unwitting driver may leave the ignition switch on rather than use the accessory position when listening to tunes. I've had to replace the ignition coil three times. Each of my three sons had had to learn the hard way by sitting, doing who knows what with the engine off, with the ignition in the on position. So, sometimes drivers may do that, and I really don't like the idea of a pressurized fuel line all that time without the engine running. In fact I've seen a case where someone did that, and a leaky needle valve let the carb overflow and filled the motor with gas.

I'm not the only person using our cars. In our family it could be any family member at any time. That's how we roll.
I just can't have a car that's not safe.
It's my logic, and my family.
 

bronconut73

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If the car gets bumped hard enough it triggers the inertia switch which shuts down the fuel pump.
 

ntsqd

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If you wanted to be "belt and suspenders" you could put the oil pressure switch in series with an inertia switch and have both of them control the fuel pump relay. For me the pressure switch has always been enough, though I can see the advantage in the inertia switch.
 
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