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How many volts should my alternator be creating?

mduenas

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My alternator creates 12.2-13.1 volts idle and driving, is that lower than normal? I had an electric fan on and the volts were reading 11.5 and lower sometimes. So I took the electric fan off as I felt the current was too low.

Are these readings right for a stock 302 and stock alternator?
 

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No. Those readings show that your alternator isn't working at all. should be 14ish volts just after starting and settle in the 13s once the battery is charged.
 
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No. Those readings show that your alternator isn't working at all. should be 14ish volts just after starting and settle in the 13s once the battery is charged.

Thats what I figured, is there anyway to test the alternator before I purchase a new one? possible the dakota digital gauge is reading it wrong?
 

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Any auto parts store should be able to test it. You've got to take it out and take it to them. If it's bad then it's your core.

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Any auto parts store should be able to test it. You've got to take it out and take it to them. If it's bad then it's your core.

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In theory - my luck has been the counter person has no idea what they are testing or how to do it.
 

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While the DD gauges should be as accurate as any, we've seen plenty of aftermarket stuff that was not correct. But if not, the good news is it's under warranty. The bad news is that you'd have to take it all out again!
But long before that, some easy tests to make first.

With a hand held volt-meter, take a reading at the battery terminals. If it matches the dash gauge, you know you've got a problem. If you show more like 14.5v at the battery, then the charging system is working fine. In that case, either the gauge in the dash is wonky, OR the wire that is attached to it is not getting a full voltage signal. Not sure if that's possible, but it's worth checking into how it's wired.

You can double-verify things by checking another battery/charging system (on another vehicle that you are fairly sure is working) and verify a running voltage at the battery of at least 14v but more like 14.5v is better.
This just verifies that your hand-held meter is working consistently and any faults lie within your vehicle.

Sounds like you have a stock style alternator? If so, you can test the full output while still on the vehicle before going to the trouble of taking it in for testing. After all, it could be the voltage regulator or wiring.

You can do what's called "full fielding" the alternator, where you apply battery voltage to the Orange field wire at the regulator. You can do this by unplugging the 3-wire connector from the regulator and jumpering between the Yellow sensing position and the Orange field position on the connector. Doing this while the engine is running will make the alternator put out it's full potential amperage, and raise the voltage level immediately. Likely you'll hear the engine idle go down as it puts a higher load on it via the belt.
You only do this for the time it takes to test the voltage, because it's putting quite the load on both the alternator and it's wiring. Leave it on long enough and eventually your voltage reading will climb into the 16 and 17 volt range, doing potential harm to the battery.
Same kind of thing as leaving the key in ON too long and cooking your ignition coil. Just do it for a few minutes at a time and you're fine.

Good luck.

Paul
 
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Any auto parts store should be able to test it. You've got to take it out and take it to them. If it's bad then it's your core.

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Just called napa, auto zone and oreilly and none of them test. I am going to get a multimeter and see what I can figure out, I am hoping my dakota digital is just reading wrong.
 

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Since we posted at the same time, I'm just reloading so you can see some of the tests I recommended just now.

Save you at least one trip to the parts store.

Paul
 

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Full field your alternator and check voltage. At least it will narrow down between regulator or alternator.

Nevermind, Paul beat me to it. LOL
 

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Thanks MIKE! Never hurts to double-up on advice with these things.;D

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My alternator creates 12.2-13.1 volts idle and driving, is that lower than normal? I had an electric fan on and the volts were reading 11.5 and lower sometimes. So I took the electric fan off as I felt the current was too low.

Are these readings right for a stock 302 and stock alternator?

Might be a good time to upgrade to a little more modern alternator if your stock one tests bad and since you still have a stock alternator your externally mounted regulator could be the problem also. The Ford 3G is what most folks upgrade to I'm guessing a stock Ford Bronco would even do that good of a job running a big electric radiator fan the stock alternators were only rated at 35-55 amps.
 
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Going to get a multimeter since mine isn’t working and check. Also I don’t even think I have a regulator... am I missing something? I used to have one until the truck was rewired. Unless it looks completely different then what I recall??

Love the double information, I can’t miss anything then. Thank you again for all your help, I don’t know what I would do without this forum. I wish I could buy all of you beers!
 

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Ok, you're already upgraded to a 3G (3rd generation) Ford alternator.
It's more than capable of putting out whatever you need under most circumstances, and it's harder to test I think. So you might end up pulling it and taking it somewhere anyway.

But there may be one of those "stick a poker here" holes in the back that lets you full-field it internally. Someone here will likely know.

In the meantime, check that the wires are in good shape. Your Green w/red wire should be getting 12v when the key is in the ON position, and the Yellow wire should have 12v (actually, "full battery voltage" whatever yours reads) at the connector.

I'm guessing the Green wire is good because you would not even get that 13v reading that you see sometimes. Still doesn't hurt to check.
Now I'm going to look more closely at your wiring (thanks for the pics by the way!) to see if anything is off.

Did this just suddenly start? Or has it ever put out more than 13v since you connected everything?

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Nevermind. I'm guessing it's never charged fully?
There is no charge wire connected, so no way for the current to flow.

The large terminal on the back of the alternator that has the Yellow wire is supposed to have a heavy gauge cable/wire running from there directly to the battery positive terminal. Either directly, or to the starter relay.
Here's the product we make for that: WH Fused Charge Cable

It's 6ga battery cable and a 175a Mega-Fuse.
You should use something similar.

Paul
 

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Sorry again. Not looking carefully enough. I see you've got a twisted-pair of wires running to your remote power terminal, then to the starter relay, through the battery cable.

It's probably sufficient for the short length you have, but it's not the overkill we like to see on these setups. Is that a factory fusible link wire by the way? It's not Gray colored, so might be custom made instead.
You should get readings at all points with the engine off to make sure you have full battery voltage all the way to the alternator BAT stud with no losses.

Paul
 
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Hi Paul, I have never seen it higher than 13.1 it was always lower than that until I got the overdrive crank pulley as well. Since it is spinning faster now is the only reason I am
Getting more. I am just trying to fix what the “builder” did.

I didn’t realize it was a 3g alternator. Sorry for the confusion.

So possibly the wire isn’t heavy gauge enough? And I should test each wire output with my multimeter? Sorry, electric confuses me more than anything.

I’m not sure what a factory fusible link is btw. Again I apologize, I’m trying to learn everything and know the terminology, but electrical is my worst enemy.
 

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Had the same problem but only at idle. It was a new 3G. Increased the idle a bit and fixed it....14v. Apparently there is a tipping point. Just realized you said you had the same issue at higher RPMs so my post isn’t helpful. Sorry.


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I found this and will check all the wiring tomorrow, will update then. I’m just shocked my Battery hasn’t died yet I definitely do not have a fuse and the wiring is a much smaller gauge.
 

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Hi Paul, I have never seen it higher than 13.1 it was always lower than that until I got the overdrive crank pulley as well. Since it is spinning faster now is the only reason I am getting more.

Ok, so at least we know to look for just about anything for now.

I didn’t realize it was a 3g alternator. Sorry for the confusion.

No problem. Maybe I should have known already, since we've talked about your Bronco for a long time now. Might even have discussed the alternator before!

So possibly the wire isn’t heavy gauge enough?

It might not be, but it's not the reason for the lack of charging. Even the lesser wire would show 14v when the alt is running, but if too small would simply melt (not good!) if the alternator was being called upon to put out more current.
So my guess is that it's still some other issue.

Although, at some point it would not hurt to use a larger gauge wire and add fuse protection.
At this point though, if those are two twisted 10ga wires, they're sufficient for most cases. The real issue with a twisted-pair of smaller gauge wires though, is that if the connection is ever compromised for one, the second one will likely melt pretty quickly, and could cause a fire.
Which is why one larger one is often the better method. And it's what Ford does. Except for the fusible links mentioned.
More on that in a bit...

And I should test each wire output with my multimeter? Sorry, electric confuses me more than anything.

As it does most of us. Until the light bulb goes off in our head in a nice eureka moment.
Yes, test each wire. You can pull the 3-wire connector off of the back of the alternator (it's actually the voltage regulator bolted to the alternator, just so you know) and use your meter's test probes to verify full battery voltage at the Yellow wire at all times. Then turn the ignition switch to ON and test for voltage at the Green w/red wire. Should be near enough battery voltage to make no nevermind.
Don't worry about voltage at the White w/black wire at this time, but do check for resistance with your OHMS setting on the multi-meter. Let us know what you find, or if you need help with the whole resistance thing.

I’m not sure what a factory fusible link is btw.

A fusible link takes a couple of different forms, but it's basically an alternative to a fuse as a way to protect the wires. In this case the larger-than-average charge wire.
I'm not sure all the reasons a designer chooses a fusible link vs a fuse or circuit breaker (cost maybe?) but there could be a certain performance characteristic they like better for a charging circuit.

Basically, as it kind of sounds, the "fusible link" will melt first, before any damage is done to the majority of the circuit. It can be as simple as a much smaller gauge section of wire (as it is with stock Bronco harnesses), to a short section of a pair of smaller wires, like Ford does with some later model vehicles that use the large battery cable sized charge wire like in the WH link I posted yesterday.
But the function is the same. It's a sacrificial bit of wire that can (semi) easily be replaced. But that's why I prefer a fuse. Much easier to carry a spare and change it in the field without much in the way of tools or specialized knowledge.
For an off-road vehicle then, a Mega-Fuse or it's equivalent has some advantages.

Again I apologize, I’m trying to learn everything and know the terminology, but electrical is my worst enemy.

Hey, that's why you're here, right?;);D

I’m just shocked my Battery hasn’t died yet I definitely do not have a fuse and the wiring is a much smaller gauge.

The fact that you see 13.1v at all means that the alternator is trying to charge at least a little. By putting out enough current to charge the battery while running, it's just keeping up with the light load. Once you turn a bunch of things on though, and watch the voltage drop, that's when you would see a drain on the battery.
So if you were driving it for a couple of hours with the lights and heater one, you likely would get stranded.

Definitely do some of the checking, and definitely add a dedicated heavy gauge ground wire to the alternator case. If for no other reason than to rule out completely any lack of grounding it is getting from the engine block and ground cable to the battery. If the connection is not clean (paint and rust?) then it's not grounded sufficiently.

Paul
 
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