• Welcome to ClassicBroncos! - You are currently viewing the forums as a GUEST. To take advantage of all the site features, please take a moment to register. It's fast, simple and absolutely free. So please join our community today!
    If you have problems registering or can't log into your account, please contact Admin.

Is 5” play in steering wheel normal ?

Tonyduc

Jr. Member
Joined
Aug 3, 2018
Messages
91
I have a 1966 170 manual. Entire front end new, stock steering box rebuilt. Never rebuilt the steering column. When I grab the steering rod and rotate left and right it has about 5” total play at the steering wheel end - so that’s free play before engaging the gears at the box in either direction. I called the rebuilder and they suggested 1/4 turn max of the adjustment screw. No improvement. Is this much play normal and perhaps I should switch to a better box ? Something tells me it’s not column but I’m open to suggestions.
Thanks
Tony
 

JB Fab

Sponsor/Vendor
Bronco Guru
Joined
Mar 21, 2004
Messages
1,516
lay under your bronco while someone turns the wheel back and forth...
feel every moving part plus the both ends of the trackbar you know right away where the slop is...
 

EPB72

Contributor
Bronco Guru
Joined
Jul 13, 2019
Messages
1,206
Loc.
Pleasant Hill, CA
lay under your bronco while someone turns the wheel back and forth...
feel every moving part plus the both ends of the trackbar you know right away where the slop is...
This and you could grab an twist at input of steering box and watch when pitman arm starts to move should be almost instantly,
 
OP
OP
T

Tonyduc

Jr. Member
Joined
Aug 3, 2018
Messages
91
This and you could grab an twist at input of steering box and watch when pitman arm starts to move should be almost instantly,
It’s the 5” back and forth and the pitman arm doesn’t move. Which is why I am thinking problem is from the steering box and above rather than below.
 

SLOWnEASY

Contributor
Sr. Member
Joined
Sep 26, 2022
Messages
517
Loc.
San Diego, Ca.
That's way too much play. I second having someone turn the steering wheel back and forth while you inspect all moving parts.
On my Bronco I had a similar ton of play in the wheel. One day driving through town I got the dreaded death wobble. Upon inspection, my upper trac bar bushing was completely shot. I replaced the trac bar bushings and magically my sloppy steering was fixed as well. So crawl under and watch everything move while someone else cycles the steering wheel
 

SLOWnEASY

Contributor
Sr. Member
Joined
Sep 26, 2022
Messages
517
Loc.
San Diego, Ca.
It’s the 5” back and forth and the pitman arm doesn’t move. Which is why I am thinking problem is from the steering box and above rather than below.
Based on this I would lift the hood and watch the steering shaft at the steering box while someone else cycles the wheel back and forth in that 5" window.
 

EPB72

Contributor
Bronco Guru
Joined
Jul 13, 2019
Messages
1,206
Loc.
Pleasant Hill, CA
Should have 1 piece shaft from steering wheel to bell style joint at input of steering gear ,, so either loose steering wheel worn splines suspect would be very obvious and so unlikely
Worn bell joint or missing pieces during reinstall of steering gear, ?
Steering box play suspecting this is your issue ,,, but I would also inspect the rest of the steering linkage and front end parts .
 
OP
OP
T

Tonyduc

Jr. Member
Joined
Aug 3, 2018
Messages
91
Should have 1 piece shaft from steering wheel to bell style joint at input of steering gear ,, so either loose steering wheel worn splines suspect would be very obvious and so unlikely
Worn bell joint or missing pieces during reinstall of steering gear, ?
Steering box play suspecting this is your issue ,,, but I would also inspect the rest of the steering linkage and front end parts .
Bell joint is new, if I grab it (or the shaft) to turn the shaft the same result, 5” play and the pitman arm doesn’t move. I will do the recommended test of having a helper turn the wheel, but if the pitman arm isn’t moving during free play then no other component that comes after it should? Starting to think it’s the rebuilt steering box, maybe defective. Several vendors like CJ sell brand new ones, I’ll do some more testing but it’s looking like the box.
 

DirtDonk

Contributor
Bronco Guru
Joined
Nov 3, 2003
Messages
51,616
I would agree with your assessment. If the pitman arm is not moving while you're turning the wheel that far, then the play is between the wheel and the box. Not after it.
But... Since the test described is one of my favorite things to tell people to do, I say do that anyway! Hah! Just so you can say you did it.
Heck, you might actually find other things that you would not have noticed otherwise, given that extreme amount of play at the wheel.

Is this a legit five inches too? Using a piece of tape or other marking with a pointer to verify exactly how much rotation you're going through.
What about the rest of the shaft? Is it still an original one piece? Sounds like it is, since you said you replaced the bell/tulip joint.
In spite of them both being new, it sure sounds like there is excessive play in either the bell/coupler, the box, or both.
A quick test should let you know.

Speaking of testing though, it sounds like you've already grabbed the steering shaft and turned it by hand? If so, then you can certainly tell if it's play in the coupler, or play in the box.
I'm sure rebuilt boxes are subject to lots of wear items being re-used. Maybe not always, but if new parts are hard to find, and the old ones just can't be tweaked to be like new, then even a "rebuilt" box is going to have issues.
Hmm, I just remembered that I have a brand new sector shaft still in the Ford box that I bought back in about '82 or '83 from the dealer. I had bought a new box from them a couple of years before, and thought I'd rebuild my original instead.
Funny, but the brand new box from Ford was $175 bucks, while the sector shaft alone a couple of years later was $250 all by itself!
I wonder if I still have that stuff in the garage?

Paul
 
OP
OP
T

Tonyduc

Jr. Member
Joined
Aug 3, 2018
Messages
91
The new steering box solved the problem, very little free play and holds the road steady. The rebuilt box was defective which sent me on a wild goose chase assuming it wasn’t the problem!
 

DirtDonk

Contributor
Bronco Guru
Joined
Nov 3, 2003
Messages
51,616
That sucks, but glad you got it fixed. Just goes to prove yet again what we've been complaining about for years. The crappy state of parts.
What did you replace it with? Same thing from the same company? Or different?

Paul
 

Grey owl

Contributor
Sr. Member
Joined
Nov 19, 2024
Messages
395
The new steering box solved the problem, very little free play and holds the road steady. The rebuilt box was defective which sent me on a wild goose chase assuming it wasn’t the problem!
Yes, 5 inches.of play is not just unusual its dangerous.
 
Top