Pricing crazies AGAIN

[Steve]

I'm happy to see I'm not the only person tired of these price-bashing and seller-bashing threads. The last one of these threads I posted in I got severely flamed for saying that. As others have said, the price of anything is determined by what someone is willing to pay for it. So, if people are willing to pay $20k+ for a restored EB, why flame someone for pricing one accordingly? I just don't get it. ?:?

I've owned and restored several desirable muscle cars, for example a '66 GTO, a '66 Mustang and a '69 442. There is still a difference between those and EBs as far as price. While a restored muscle car is worth big bucks, so are junk muscle cars. That's not (yet) true about EBs. Restored EBs are selling for big bucks, but you can still buy a decent, unrestored EB for a few thousand dollars. So, at least for now, buying a decent EB to build or restore isn't out of the question for most of us. That can no longer be said about a lot of other collectible cars.

Anyone here who would price their EB way lower than what people would actually pay for it please raise their hand. Hmmm...nobody? That's what I figured.

 

[jbeyer]

i think its great that values are going up. another thing i like about ebs, is that what you put into them you will get back out, at least within reason. much better than that 2005 rubicon my pal just bought that lost a ton of value the second he drove it off the lot, and keeps going down. my eb is worth maybe a grand less than the cost of the parts ive put into it, which makes it worth 10 times what i bought it for in 1999. and i will get back everything i put in to the body work. this sounds great. and if some one wants to buy it for 25 grand, more power to them.

 

[broncow72]

I could only imagine what kind of crap I'd get if some people knew what I sold my house for in San Diego %)

 

[burntfish]

i'll get my ass chewed for this one . i saw in a mag that a company did a res on a fj40 that cost them $250,000. and it was awesome looking when done. so whats $25,000 on a build.

 

[Grunt1058]

I'd rather see nice EBs go for top dollar then for next to nothing. Makes having one that much more special.

Besides, cheap rusted out beat up Broncos are still everywhere. I've heard MANY stories of people getting them for free on this BB. I almost scored one but, the seller backed out. (more of a trade for something I have NOTHING invested in)

 

[Duke Nukem]

While a restored muscle car is worth big bucks, so are junk muscle cars. That's not (yet) true about EBs. Restored EBs are selling for big bucks, but you can still buy a decent, unrestored EB for a few thousand dollars. So, at least for now, buying a decent EB to build or restore isn't out of the question for most of us. That can no longer be said about a lot of other collectible cars.

That's actually a really good point. Even though the value of early broncos has gone up it is still a relatively affordable classic car. If you hunt around you can still pick one up for a few grand. While it would likely need a lot of work it is still something the average guy can still buy into. The same cannot be said of many other classic cars that already cost more than most new cars regardless of condition.

Dig this. A friend of mine happens to own a 1956 Pegaso Z-102 Panoramica Coupe. Never heard of it? It happens to be a rare sports car made in Spain from 1951-1957. It competed against other exotic cars of that era such as Ferrari. At the time it was the fastest production car in the world and was guaranteed to go at least 150 mph. Only 86 were ever made and just 29 are known to survive. He happened to buy two of them back in the 1970s and paid $7,000 for both. One he restored and the other is still a pile of rusty metal. He has been offered as much as $250,000 sight unseen for the incomplete, unrestored one. Today the restored car is estimated to be worth in the neighborhood of $1 million. What makes his car particularly valuable is that it is one of the few remaining ones that still has the original engine and it still runs! I've driven around in it and have to say that it is a kick. There's nothing like riding in a million dollar car.

Here are some pics of his car being loaded onto an aircraft to be flown to an auto show in Barcelona. Next time anyone complains about the price of an early bronco think about this thing.

 

[BG's 68 Bronco]

This is a little off topic, but when you buy a house and do renovations to it... do you hope you sell it for the same amount you paid for it? NO

So why is it such a bad thing when someone essentially renovates their bronco and gets a buyer to pay top dollar?

It's amazing what a little paint can do to a house to increase the amount someone will pay for it! and honestly I don't see anything wrong with that. It's not the sellers fault that the buyer wants to pay big $.

IMO this thread should be in the politics section %)

 

[mkaenel]

Did anyone notice the "bidder history". They are all "bidders identity protected". This leads me to believe it is one person and he is trying to drive up the price.

Maybe I am just wrong...

Matt

 

[DebosDave'72]

All I can say, is everyone is pretty funny on here... who cares what YOU would pay for this bronco? Who cares if the guy was shill bidding it up... if he bids it higher than someone will pay, his rig doesn't sell... Someone thought it was worth $25,000, and that's who gets it whether it is the current owner or the proud new owner... Who cares what YOU think its worth.. the guy who won the bidding decided that for himself...

Just My $0.02

Dave

 

[ghost66]

Whaddaya mean were funny here, this is serious stuff, goes right along with World Peace and a cure for Cancer, jeez the nerve of some people.
Your right we all need to get a life, there are many more important things going on to vent about like when a new episode of LOST will be aired.

All I can say, is everyone is pretty funny on here... who cares what YOU would pay for this bronco? Who cares if the guy was shill bidding it up... if he bids it higher than someone will pay, his rig doesn't sell... Someone thought it was worth $25,000, and that's who gets it whether it is the current owner or the proud new owner... Who cares what YOU think its worth.. the guy who won the bidding decided that for himself...

Just My $0.02

Dave

 

[Miley]

Wow!!

I've been in a pissing contest in another thread and just checked this one out. Wow! I was offered $20K for my rig last year and I graciously turned him down. However, if someone waved $25K under my nose.... I'd happily sell it and build another for myself!!!

That is sweet looking Bronco on Ebay though. If it is in as good condition as it appears, I could see how it would go for around $20K. I think $25K is pushing it a bit though. No lockers, EFI, Atlas, winch, etc...

To each his or her own,

Jim

 

[DebosDave'72]

Whaddaya mean were funny here, this is serious stuff, goes right along with World Peace and a cure for Cancer, jeez the nerve of some people.
Your right we all need to get a life, there are many more important things going on to vent about like when a new episode of LOST will be aired.

Don't get me wrong, I think world peace is a serious thing, as well as the cure for cancer.. if only I could find a cure for all the cancer on my 77.....
I am not saying anyone needs to get a life, I love this forum, but it kinda irks me when someone is trashing a guy who happened to get $25,000 out of his ride... he didn't start the bid there, didn't ask anyone to bid it up that high... good for him, and good for anyone who gets the most possible out of what they are selling. It seems to me this is an arms length sale, and until someone can prove otherwise, why trash the guy selling?? Why don't we all call the guy who bought it, and ream him out for paying so much for one... except I am sure any of use would take top dollar for our own rigs.

How about when the new owner comes around on this forum and reads some thread about how this is a ridiculous price to pay? I just keep wondering if the guy who got outbid by a few bucks feels about its value???? There was clearly at least two people who thought the rig was worth around $25,000....

 

[allenfahey]

im not sure that is even true. in the close up of the outer door handle you can see uneven texturing in the paint. imo, the photos may be high shine, but i don't think this is a top flight job.

also were any specs or mods listed in the ad??

There is bit of orange peel around the handle but that is very easy to buff out. You can't buff out the terrible body work though. You can surf on those doors. They should have painted it white.... If it ain't right, paint it white! It also appears the clear has died back a little too All the power to him if someone pays him 25K.

 

[toddz69]

let us know what you find out there todd. it will be great to have an educated eye see it first hand.

I stopped by after work and it wasn't on the lot - just a bunch of late model pickup trucks. I imagine it's a consignment rig or something like that. I don't like talking to car salesmen so I didn't bother asking any of them where it was.

Todd Z.

 

[BajaFresh75]

punk'd

Don't you guys get it yet, kb6677 is one of the "two" bidders and doesn't want any other potential bidders bidding on it. That's why he is trashing it. If (when) you win it kb6677, I can make you a package deal on PS, AT, and a Dana44.

 

[Skuzzlebutt]

I've been in a pissing contest in another thread and just checked this one out. Wow! I was offered $20K for my rig last year and I graciously turned him down. However, if someone waved $25K under my nose.... I'd happily sell it and build another for myself!!!

That is sweet looking Bronco on Ebay though. If it is in as good condition as it appears, I could see how it would go for around $20K. I think $25K is pushing it a bit though. No lockers, EFI, Atlas, winch, etc...

To each his or her own,

Jim

If most of what you invest into a rig is custom drive train, suspension and so on, the more likely it is that you will lose money when put 'er up for sale. Buyers who appreciate hardcore hardware generally prefer buying stock(ish) rigs so they can modify them themselves. Real wheelers want their rigs to be built their way, and they usually don't trust strangers to do the work either.
If you were to spend $30k customizing a crawler you should realisticaly expect to be able to sell it for around $15k. And a 4Megawatt sound system won't help any either..

 

[Flash69]

Good Grief Guys dont crack on Karl too much on here he is a Valuable member on here and it would be a shame to piss him off and not have his input on this forum. Have you looked at his rigs and the ability he posseses. Im sure he has vast knowledge on our old rigs. Id hate to see him get mad and leave the site over this. Ok thats my .02 worth.

 

[Grunt1058]

Good Grief Guys dont crack on Karl too much on here he is a Valuable member on here and it would be a shame to piss him off and not have his input on this forum. Have you looked at his rigs and the ability he posseses. Im sure he has vast knowledge on our old rigs. Id hate to see him get mad and leave the site over this. Ok thats my .02 worth.

I could care less if he comes or goes. Quite honestly, this is an internet public BB and he posted his opinion. He's getting opinions in return. If he's childish enough to get pissed about that and not come back... Hasta La Vista Baby.

If he's Internet savvy, then he understands the can o worms he just opened up and will not act like a baby that you make him out to potentially be.


One person made the comment on fixing up a house and reselling it. This is EXACTLY the kind of person who understands investments. If your neighborhood was flooded with worn out beat up houses going for next to nothing. Wouldn't you be happy if someone came in and fixed up those houses and started selling them for top dollar? You damn well should. It affects the overall value of YOUR PROPERTY. ¿Comprende? ;D ;D ;D

 

[kb6677]

Thanks Flash and this is for Grunt1058

Thanks flash, I'm ok with the opinions shared on the ebay thread. I think folks are entitled to their opinion.
I would have posted earlier but I have been on the phone with a couple buds around the southeast looking for a 66-71 eb, Dana 30 front axle, no ps or pdb, orange peel black paint with waves under it, 3speed FLOOR shifter, wow thats a must, but it must have nice interior and a 351C not a 351W because everyone knows a 351C is worth more. I am going to post it forsale here for 19995. I think there should be someone buy it quick given the number of folks who think the above description on ebay is a 25k rig, as long as they don't buy it, cool it drives up the value of their rig I was disappointed BajaFresh spilled the beans on me really wanting that '68 for myself. Since I have enjoyed talking broncos with him for over 6 years I will let it slide this time.
Mr Skuzzlebutt, I am revoking your Doctorate, your quote earlier "a 30k rockcrawler would bring about 15k. WRONG, in 2001 I sold a VERY WELL built '77 for mid 20's to a friend of mine, he kept it a couple of years and got ALL of his money out of it as well. I know, many on this forum were not keeping up with ebs at that time, so I will just go ahead and tell you, that price was UNHEARD OF then.
Grunt 1058, well, well, well, we had our meany pills today with breakfast didn't we. "A BABY", wow I am hurt-you used your big boy typing skills to try to light me up without dirty words, impressive. Seems like you enjoy being a meany on ebay threads-do you remember posting this:
***Talk about a MORON... Every question is answered with "I need to take it to the shop", "I'm only one guy", "I'm dong this part time"... bla bla bla. "Don't freaking post it for sale if you aren't ready to sell it."****
I was looking back at your posts to try to find something positive you contributed to this forum because many who have posted on this thread are very respected members. I found you like the off topic threads alot, football games, ranger trucks, divorce lawyers, soon to be X wives, etc...then I FOUND it. "What would you do different if you were going to build your eb again." Seems you are going through a period of indecision on what you want to do with your rig-so, since you have evidently no creativity lets do what everyone else suggests. Based on your list of current parts you have for your rig I would say I spent more on my three sets of tires for my trail rig and the three sets of Trail Ready beadlocks they are mounted on.
So since you decided to light me up for no real reason that I know of.....I would like you to know how much your opinion means to me-without cussing of course. ABOUT AS MUCH AS THE CONTENTS OF MY COLON I FLUSHED DOWN THE TOLIET THIS MORNING.
Karl Bradley
NC
ebsss

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[70EB]

I am surprised at the amount of posts/threads lately with various people fighting each other. I have been following the Bronco community for quite a while (back when Bronco.com was only an email mailing list and there were no other sites to go to). I have found that this BB and most of the people on here to be more than helpful, full of advice, experiences and honest suggestions on things that have/have not worked for them. I read the threads that I think will be of value to me and radomly post on those that I think I can help out on (albeit with my limited knowledge and experience). I have met some great folks on here that have helped me a great deal over the years and I can only hope that I have helped others.

The value of an item is what YOU place in it. i never got in this hobby to make a dime (Bronco is now well over what it would be worth to sell but worth every penny to me). The value of my bronco to me is not only in the parts i have bought but in the vast learning experience, increasing ability to work on my own truck (everything has been my own trial and error - no shops) and the fun I have had working on it. We would all love to get more out of our truck if we sold it - but rarely do.

Karl and I have never met but I have read alot of what he has posted in the past and value his experiences along with many others on this board. We need not take this out on each other.

I too get made when a new member asks a valid question of the board, some things that we all may have done or discussed a million times, and without fail one of the first responses is "have you done a search yet". In the time it takes to say that, you probably could have answered his question and we would have another valued member to our community.

Now you can search my history and see that I rarely get involved in these discussions like this thread but rather spend my time on the "tech" - oh and by the way, all the info on this site is "tech" in one form or another. if you know it all, just skip that thread and move on - or contribute.

Let's keep this fun and light hearted. Isn't that why we are all on this site? This site also kept me with a little bit of home while I was deployed for a year. The generosity of the members of this site has always amazed me.

Off my soapbox. Back to the "tech" threads now to better spend my time.

Bill