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Steering stabilizer

fabieber

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A long time ago when I was using my 73 as a daily driver, I removed the steering stabilizer which looked just like a shock absorber. The truck drove then and still drives better than with the stabilizer installed.
Having said that, my truck is a totally stock, non lifted and is really "darty" on the highway at break neck speeds of 55-60. If any of you feel I would get a better driver (from the wandering, twitching standpoint), by reinstalling a stabilizer, what brand, type or model should I get?
 

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Post a few pictures of your front end.. how new are all the steering components? Steering box? Radius arm bushings? What’s the caster set at? Lots of variables and a steering stabilizer is a band aid for crappy steering components.
 

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It might soften it a bit but at the end of the day would just be a band aid for worn parts. Check your bushings, especially trak bar. Darting or wandering could also be steering alignment and or worn steering linkage.
 

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A steering damper isn't for highway stability. For street driven stuff, not needed. I ran one and when the bracket broke I could really tell off-road. Clip a small rock in the trail and the steering wheel would yank around. This was new for me as it would yank a little, but now it was a lot. Drove it around town and on the highway and it was completely normal. Was giving it an inspection and saw the bracket broken. Welded it back up and it still drove exactly the same on the street and highway. But was back to the normal self on the trail. An old article I once had stated that they were used after running the Baja and the needle bearings in the steering box were hammered flat at the end of the race. They put the dampers on the steering to protect the steering box.

Darty/ wandering at highway speeds. Any recent work done to the suspension? Alignment checked recently? Broncos are known for bad caster and even worse as lifts are installed.
Check the frame around the steering box and the track bar for cracks. Especially around the track bar if there is a drop bracket installed (for a lift). They are generally good stock, but are well known for cracking the frame with the drop bracket. Also the drop bracket, welded in place or just bolted?
Don't rule out the rear springs. A leaf spring bushing going away will let the rear axle shift for and aft a little bit. And a shifting front end feels very much like a wandering front end.
 

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Are you saying that it was always darty at 55 after you removed the stabilizer? Or that it seems more that way now?
If the latter, then most likely some of your stock, original stuff is starting to wear out.
Including, and possibly especially the tires.
 

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And I don't think we're saying that adding the steering stabilizer shock back to the stock brackets will never help with a little bit of loose feeling, but as was stated already, it's definitely going to be a Band-Aid thing, and not a real fix. Might feel like it, but it's only temporary.
Lots of things to check on an old truck. Especially a Bronco.

When these are used daily, as yours was at one time, everything works better as long as it's in reasonable shape. Once they start sitting for most of their lives, almost everything starts to deteriorate. Even things you'd least expect.
How long does the Bronco sit these days? Has it ever sat idle for years?

And back to the tires, what are the date codes? If they are more than five years old, then they are automatically suspect in any wandering, shimmying, wobbling, or twitchiness.
More than ten years old and I would not even consider driving on them at highway speeds. Around town? Sure, maybe... But out on the highway? No way.
And I hate buying new tires. Expensive, and a pain. But almost always worth the pain to the wallet and effort.

Paul
 

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There was a relatively extensive set of videos posted up on the NorCalBroncos site five or six years ago now. Only one Bronco, with one gear ratio, but done over the same route at approx. the same throttle levels. Don't remember any highway speed images, but more of an around-the-block kind of thing.
I believe that he installed two different sets of leaf springs. Ours and maybe BC's?

I've been wanting to do this for years, where different tire sizes, gear ratios, transmissions (auto vs manual, granny first vs normal for example), transfer case positions (low vs high) and any variables we could think of and still be somewhat "consistent" with the results. Even to the point of using different Broncos that cover the typical range of weights. From about 3800 to 4500 lbs or so.

I even thought of stuff to keep it consistent within a single vehicle, such as different length "stops" put under the throttle pedal to get acceleration values more consistent.
Not a simple weekend experiment I realize, but at some point there should be enough of us willing to play around that we can get some general numbers.

Sounds like fun to me! Now, if someone had some spare time on their hands... :rolleyes:

Paul
 
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fabieber

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I appreciate all of the info you guys provided to me again. I will have new tires before my truck is on the road again but will check all of the areas you guys suggest before hitting the road and prematurely wearing out my new tires (or worse). Thanks to all of you.
 

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Strange. That last post was supposed to go to another thread. I’ve done that a couple of times from my phone now. Ugh…
 

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I had a lot of worn parts on mine creating an interesting ride. One thing not mentioned was the lower trac-bar "bolt". It is welded into the bracket from the backside and mine was broken loose creating some play.
 

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Caster, caster, caster. Any steering that darts left to right or is slow to return to center after a turn is always a castor issue. True, could be some other worn out parts, but they just make for sloppy steering. Caster is king of stability running straight and returning easy to center. Lots of ways to fix caster, most require some decent work to do it right. James has lots of experience with caster and can offer a ton of possible fixes although you might not be up for the task. Some easier than others. Stabilizer helps when hitting bug bumps, rocks, etc. just keeps thing tighter overall. But not created to deal with wondering issues caused by caster. Measure and post your current caster, lift details, and tires and we can tell you for sure.
 
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fabieber

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Caster, caster, caster. Any steering that darts left to right or is slow to return to center after a turn is always a castor issue. True, could be some other worn out parts, but they just make for sloppy steering. Caster is king of stability running straight and returning easy to center. Lots of ways to fix caster, most require some decent work to do it right. James has lots of experience with caster and can offer a ton of possible fixes although you might not be up for the task. Some easier than others. Stabilizer helps when hitting bug bumps, rocks, etc. just keeps thing tighter overall. But not created to deal with wondering issues caused by caster. Measure and post your current caster, lift details, and tires and we can tell you for sure.
Truck is not driveable at the moment....can caster be measured without taking to front end shop?
 

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Caster is the angle the C on the end of the axle has from straight up and down or 0°. Think of a shopping cart. The wheels are attached to the cart with the shaft offset about an inch. No matter what you do, when you push the cart the wheels are forced to swing around and be behind the mounting shaft. That is caster doing that. That’s why they are often called caster wheels at the hardware store. The C on each end of your axle acts like the attaching arm on the cart wheel. (actually a bit different in that cars using angles for caster) Rotate the top of C back creates positive caster. ( from top ball joint to bottom ball joint is the center of axle. That line moved forward or aft changes caster).
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Move the top of the C forward and you decrease caster.

The more positive caster the more stable going straight and the easier the wheel returns to centered on its own after a turn ( just like the cart wheel does). But there is an upper limit to how much caster you should seek.

The more caster the harder it is to turn the steering wheel off center. With the old manual steering, too much caster made for hard to turn the wheel issues so Ford limited caster to offset that problem. But what you gain in ease of wheel turn you lose in wheel stability and wheel return to center. With power steering however, you could overcome having increased caster because of the “power” to turn the wheel. So best setup is increase caster with PS. Results in straight driving down the road, easier return to center after a turn, and ease to turn wheel.

So long explanation to answer your question. Yes, you can measure caster by measuring the degree the C is from 0°( straight up and down). I use an app on my phone that provides digital angle measurement. Just figure a way to make a flat spot across top to bottom of C and measure that angle.

Just so ya know, the different degreed rubber mounts rotate the axle (moving the C that attaches the wheel) by how they hold the axle in place ( the angle is created by the degrees built into the rubber). This usually is good enough to get the caster you need and is an easy fix. But, the higher your suspension lift, the worse the caster problem is (as the frame is lifted up the arms are also lifted up at the frame which rotates the axle forward decreasing caster. That’s why the big lifts lower the arms with lowering brackets at the frame mount. HOWEVER, just my opinion here, I don’t really like any of the “easy” caster increasing options ( degreed rubber, lowering mounting arms, or the offset ball joint nuts). None of these solutions take into account the piñon angle that the lift also effects. As the frame is lifted, piñon angle to drive shaft increases. If all you do is rotate axle aft with one of the easy caster fixes noted, then the piñon angle is bad. Normally not a terrible issue in that in 4x4 your going pretty slow so not a ton of stress on ujoints, but it’s not a great setup.

The degreed rubber is ok if your not lifting much but the best way to actually dial in the right caster is to reposition the C on each end of the axle. Cut, reposition, weld. That way you get the exact caster you want and can also position the piñon angle perfectly at the same time. Lots of ways to do that. James can provide details in that he has done a bunch. Anyway, maybe this long winded explanation of caster will help some folks.

As a side note, for all those folks with a 2.5” suspension lift or less, the degreed rubber works fine and the piñon angle is not gross. You’ll be fine. Although I know for sure others will disagree😊
 
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