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Tail/running light issues

VTSwampMonkey

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Ok I am having a serious conundrum going on with my electrical system on my 72. If this issue has already been discussed in a previous thread, please point me in the right direction. But to keep it simple, I have headlights, both dim and bright. My taillights and marker lights will work about 1 in 5 times pulling the light switch, but will not stay on. (They actually quit working while i was driving to work the other morning :/) My speedometer light has quit working all together, along with the light to my tach. Is this a sign that my switch is going bad or is it more serious than that? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance!!
 

DirtDonk

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Hey there. Welcome to classicbroncos!
And before I forget, if by any chance your VIN starts with a "P" or a "Q" (after the U15..etc that is) pop over to a thread about those vehicles which were part of the transition between '72 and '73 when so many changes were made.
I'll find a link and post it up, but it was started by Viperwolf1 and is titled "mind your P's and Q's" or something like that.

Ok, now that's out of the way...
It sure sounds like your headlight switch. Do the headlights go out at the same time, or just the other lights?
With the sidemarker lights, it's very common for them to just go out on their own and a good smack with your hand or a quick twist of the socket behind the fender will often have them come back on. So don't necessarily use the side-markers as an indicator of health in the system.

The tail lights could also be a bad wire or connection. The connector on the driver's side of the engine compartment near the firewall is usually good, but can also come loose and get dirty or rusty. The more common ailment is the condition of the wire bundle along the frame. If there was ever a dual exhaust setup installed, they often ran too close to the wires and caused trouble. Also mounting things near there often pinches a wire and things get wonky from there.
So give the wire bundle along the frame a good inspection.

The light to your tachometer could just be a bad connection, as this is not a stock Ford item and was installed sometime after. And who knows how it was done. You'll have to follow the wires on that to find out if it's even connected, or just the bare end of the wire stuffed into an open hole in a connector. Common with tach installs actually.
Might even be the cause of some kind of a short. Not likely, but not impossible either.

Even though this has nothing to do with your lights, pull all the fuses, brush the contacts a bit and put them back in. This usually helps to get the rest of the system working better and doesn't hurt. Or cost anything!

Check your battery negative cable. If it's a single cable to the engine block, with no other wires or connections anywhere, then you need to add a separate wire of about 10ga size from the battery negative to the body. Usually the wheel well at the starter relay/solenoid mounting bolt is a convenient place.

Then, while you're at it, might as well add the one that For should have added when it was built. Make another 10ga jumper to run between the back of the engine and the firewall. You can use the same 10ga wire size, or pick up one of those pre-made braided grounding straps at the local auto parts store.
Pick a convenient bolt on the firewall and clean underneath to get a good connection. Us a convenient bolt on the back of the intake, but not one of the actual manifold-to-head bolts as that could cause a leak.

This added grounding can only help a 44 year old truck that had poor grounds from the factory. Your dash panel counts on being able to get a good ground, and the dash lights are very much effected by this.
Here again, no guarantee that this is your issue, but every EB can benefit from the mods just described.
In fact, the battery cable addition isn't a mod at all, but just putting it back to stock. Most people change the negative cable and lose the original ground connection to the body. Gotta' have it.

Good luck. It's very likely the switch, or rear harness, but wait for a few others to chime in with their recommendations.

Paul
 
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VTSwampMonkey

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Paul - thank you so much for the quick reply. My bronco was actually made in October 71, but on the registration is 72. The first letter in the vin number is a "u". The headlights stay on at all times, i haven't had any issues with them at all throughout this ordeal, which has kept me from really pointing my finger at the headlight switch until now. I'll keep in mind with the marker lights but so far they have been working in conjunction with the taillights but ill start going around and checking them to just be safe. I'll do some more diagnosing tomorrow with the wires along the frame and make sure there is nothing there. Thanks again!
 

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Hope you find something simple!
Yeah, October is typically the next model year because most Ford builds (and frankly most other OE's as well these days) start their next model year building in approximately August/September. So October, by late '71 standards, would definitely be a '72 model year truck.

But the reason we're tracking all the late '72's (the "P's" in the bunch) is that for that year Ford delayed the release and so there are a lot of model year '72's registered that were built as late as October of '72. And even some oddballs that defy the norm, where the VIN numbers were mixed together out of sequence. Very strange.
But typical of EB mysteries!

Have fun with yours. Oh, and the "U" in yours is what they all start with. U13 for a Roadster, U14 for a Pickup/half-cab and U15 for the more common Wagons. We'd be looking for a "U15GLPxxxxx in other words. Or something like that.
Yours is too early to worry about being in that mess though, so should only have '72 related stuff. No automatic transmissions or power steering or J-shift transfer cases from the factory in other words.

Paul
 

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Check your grounds comes to mind. Ohm meter between the negative battery post and the gauge cluster should read zero continuity.

Replace the headlight switch is cheap and easy. Disconnect battery, unplug the connector, pull the knob out by pushing the button on the bottom, and undo the bezel nut (you may need a tool for that). Get part from vendor here or any local auto parts store (they will have in stock most likely). That will cost you under $25 and rule it out.

It may also be a short. I hope not. Look for wires going to ground or something.

Does this only happen when the vehicle is moving?
What does your voltage read (is it an overcharging issue)?
Are the bulbs seated good and the right types?

I suspect the turn signal wiring may come into play as well (all possibilities).

Electrical gremlins suck. I hope you are able to solve them soon!
 

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Look at zone 21C in this diagram:



The power feed is circuit 25 Bk/Or on terminal BN. The curve between the 2 circles going to terminal DN is a circuit breaker inside the headlight switch, and that one serves the horn (if your '71 horn is wired that way), brake lights (via the 284 R wire that goes to the next page), the instrument backlights through the rheostat (terminal I, circuit 19 Bu/R), and the marker lights on terminal B2 via 285 Br . So if the horn & brake lights don't work, then you can be reasonably sure it's a bad headlight switch. A quick voltmeter check of the wires coming off terminal DN would confirm it; if DN doesn't have 12V at all times, replace the switch. We know that BN does because it also feeds the headlights through the other circuit breaker, and they work.

Turn the rheostat to fully DIM the instrument lights, and check their fuse.

Similarly, we know the ground is OK because the headlights & marker lights ground to the same thing: the core support. The turn wiring is not part of the marker light circuit. A short isn't likely because headlight switch CBs are known to just fail with age. But it's possible that a short is what burned this one out. If BN pulses a few volts every minute or 2 (it could take a while to get a small pulse), that indicates it's resetting and instantly tripping again due to a short circuit in any of the circuits it feeds (horn switch wire, brake light wire, or parking light wires). If the brake lights work when the parking lights are OFF, then the fault is in the parking lights.
 
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VTSwampMonkey

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I cannot thank you guys enough for your help. I stopped by Advanced and got a headlight switch this evening and put it on and so far so good!! I haven't driven it yet but i have dash lights in my speedometer, along with my tail and marker lights. The true test will come when i drive it. Before i removed the old switch, pulled the knob out and everything worked. Pushed it in and pulled it back out and everything quit working again. Pulled it back out, everything worked. This went on for a few minutes. Put the new switch in, and everytime i pulled the knob handle out everything worked. Keep your fingers crossed but i hope this did it!!! Thank yall again for your help!!
 
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