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The Budd Body Corporation Bomb Drop!!!!

trekgurl

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Soooo....... Where to start!! This will be a long read but well worth your time.

I also asked about the fate of the tooling. Most of the tooling was scrapped with the exception of what the auto manufactures could make money on in the future (tailgates, grilles, etc.)

Thanks for posting...great meeting and information. I had always heard The Budd company made the parts for Ford (the early Bronco's), along with other car parts.

So I'm sure some of you have toured the Dennis Carpenter plant back when we have Bronco gathering's their. They had some huge machines (presses?) 2 stories high or more, they said were used to stamp parts. Isn't it possible some of tooling (that wasn't scrapped) ended up there?
 

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Thank you for the short story! Wow, how cool to have met the very guys that built our bodies. Looking forward to the next meeting and more stories.
 

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I would buy a plane ticket and a ticket to that event lol. Need a tour of NECFP as well :)
 

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VERY COOL STUFF NICK! drinking? doubt it! ;D
 
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delconick

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Pics of what Nick? My drunk ass talking? LOL I like Taskers comment. Nick drinking? Noooo! lmao

We will def work on seeing if they have pics though!
 

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Time it right and I bet Todd will be there with the Beer, Pizza and a tape recorder and a new book revision. Pictures will be hard to com by unless they were Budds company's photos back then company's really frowned on cameras.
 

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I also asked about the fate of the tooling. Most of the tooling was scrapped with the exception of what the auto manufactures could make money on in the future (tailgates, grilles, etc.)
So I'm sure some of you have toured the Dennis Carpenter plant back when we have Bronco gathering's their. They had some huge machines (presses?) 2 stories high or more, they said were used to stamp parts. Isn't it possible some of tooling (that wasn't scrapped) ended up there?

That is theoretically where all the body molds went. Dennis Carpenter has long touted the fact that due to their longstanding relationship with Ford many of their body parts are in fact stamped using original Ford stamping dies(?)/molds.
Unfortunately this does not reach one of the more popular parts, which are the front fenders of Broncos. Those are produced overseas like so much else.

Unfortunately also, the quality of the final product even using the original stamping equipment is not finished and often needs some touch-up.
I think that might be what the Budd folks that Nick was talking to were referring to.
Areas like edges, especially near curves such as the top and bottom of a tailgate or nose of a grille, are rough gouged and mis-formed. Almost like the metal is stretching differently when pressed now than it did in the past.

Perhaps the steel is in fact different from the old days, rather than deterioration of the original stamping pieces, or changes in procedures? Don't know, but they are definitely not as finely tuned as the originals were. Whether from the molding process itself, or just from a different finishing procedure than Ford (or Budd?) used originally, they're just not quite as smooth.

They're still a nice alternative to old, beat up and rusty, but if your old one just needs a small dent removed, better to do that sometimes, than to buy brand new.

Paul
 

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Time it right and I bet Todd will be there with the Beer, Pizza and a tape recorder and a new book revision. Pictures will be hard to com by unless they were Budds company's photos back then company's really frowned on cameras.

You got it! And I'm pretty cheap (just ask my friends!) but I'd buy all the beer and pizza needed for this party if it happens.

Todd Z.
 
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delconick

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Paul,

Very fey of the tools were saved. Dennis Carpenter has the Grille, Tailgate, And the rocker dies. That is it to the best of my knowledge. My guess is Ford decided to keep what they could potentially make royalty money on?

The Tool and die maker that I talked to said every time after a run of whatever part they were making the dies were repaired / resurfaced. He said they would stamp a few parts in tool and die before the tools went to production, those were the benchmarks. Then after the run the tools would go back to tool and die and get checked / repaired as needed. They would strike a part off of the dies themselves and compare them to the ones they stamped before releasing the dies. Then anywhere there are differences such as stretch marks, lines, waves, etc. the dies were refinished.

That is likely the fate of the "eyebrow" in the grille tools. When the tools came back after the first run that was likely a worn section that was simply ground off on one side and welded in / re-surfaced on the other.

The cool part is how much he knew about that. Showing me every line or tooling mark on the new grille and what needs to be done to repair the tooling! It was a pretty cool conversation! (this part of the conversation happened the next day after we were sobered back up!) He was also saying there were certain areas that had to be "hit" or "struck" two or three times to get the proper shape. He added they may not know to do that?
 
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Todd,

Beer and (cheesesteaks or hoagies not pizza as we are Philly people!) is on me sir! I will be in touch with you before this happens so you can join! I am not the literary type so I wanted someone like yourself to be present anyway. Glad you would entertain the trip!

Talk soon!
Nick
 

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This is cool information Nick! One thing that many people don't know, or forget is, that the dies wear out too. After stamping thousands and thousands of components, the dies are sometimes useless and are beyond welding, grinding and repairing. I have heard inside information from the Carpenters, that the last remaining fender dies were scrapped because they were worn beyond saving. Thanks for keeping us updated with info!
 

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You got it! And I'm pretty cheap (just ask my friends!) but I'd buy all the beer and pizza needed for this party if it happens.

Todd Z.

I figured that. you are so predictable. I hope you get a chance to rerecord history. once us old guys are gone there is no coming back for a rerun. Trust me old guys like to talk about the old days. keep feeding them and they wont shut up.
 

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Thanks for sharing Nick...

This is cool information Nick! One thing that many people don't know, or forget is, that the dies wear out too. After stamping thousands and thousands of components, the dies are sometimes useless and are beyond welding, grinding and repairing. I have heard inside information from the Carpenters, that the last remaining fender dies were scrapped because they were worn beyond saving. Thanks for keeping us updated with info!

True
One example is the run of CJ 7's the 76 thru 79's had Jeep stamped in the fender. Examples after were stamped Joop ; the center of the e having been worn beyond repair..or Jeep being too cheap to make the repair.

The e was created by the decal on a flat o
 
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