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Trans cooling success

knack

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Thought I'd share a trans cooling story; maybe useful for someone.

My Bronco has a stock 302, C4, 4.11 gears, 32" tall tires. For years I had a copper 4 core radiator with internal trans cooler and a large tube and fin cooler mounted about an inch in front of the radiator core. I don't know the dimensions, but it covered at least half the radiator. I have a transmission temp gauge with sending unit in the pan.

I pull a thousand pound trailer equipped for camping. I hauled this setup out to Utah and went camping in the Manti-La Sal mountains one spring. Some 80-90 degree temps; had to do a lot of stopping on long uphills to let the transmission cool off. I usually stopped when the gauge passed 190.

Five years later I was back in the same area, roughly the same temps & altitudes. Same vehicle, trailer, etc. Before I left, rather than take my leaking 4 core radiator to the shop for the third time, I bought a copper OEM spec 3 core made in Mexico radiator (with internal trans cooler) from Summit. Upgraded my external trans cooler to a Derale stacked plate model 13403 in the same mounting location. This one's 2" thick X 13" wide X 7-5/16" tall.

Huge difference in cooling. Consistently ran about 15 degrees cooler than before. I don't remember ever seeing a transmission temp reading higher than 180.
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billh1289

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Thought I'd share a trans cooling story; maybe useful for someone.

My Bronco has a stock 302, C4, 4.11 gears, 32" tall tires. For years I had a copper 4 core radiator with internal trans cooler and a large tube and fin cooler mounted about an inch in front of the radiator core. I don't know the dimensions, but it covered at least half the radiator. I have a transmission temp gauge with sending unit in the pan.

I pull a thousand pound trailer equipped for camping. I hauled this setup out to Utah and went camping in the Manti-La Sal mountains one spring. Some 80-90 degree temps; had to do a lot of stopping on long uphills to let the transmission cool off. I usually stopped when the gauge passed 190.

Five years later I was back in the same area, roughly the same temps & altitudes. Same vehicle, trailer, etc. Before I left, rather than take my leaking 4 core radiator to the shop for the third time, I bought a copper OEM spec 3 core made in Mexico radiator (with internal trans cooler) from Summit. Upgraded my external trans cooler to a Derale stacked plate model 13403 in the same mounting location. This one's 2" thick X 13" wide X 7-5/16" tall.

Huge difference in cooling. Consistently ran about 15 degrees cooler than before. I don't remember ever seeing a transmission temp reading higher than 180.
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I was looking at a similar cooler for mine. Do you have a picture from different angle on how you mounted it? I have an existing cooler and the brackets might work with some tweaking.
 
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knack

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Couldn't find any other pics. Truck is in storage for the winter now too - will be difficult to get at for a while.
 

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Just wondering, which cooler do you have plumbed first? oil to air, or oil to water? Just trying to fill in the missing data points.
 

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I'm wondering if the radiator being more efficient leaves water coming out of the radiator colder, and that is further cooling the ATF?
 

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Thought I'd share a trans cooling story; maybe useful for someone.

My Bronco has a stock 302, C4, 4.11 gears, 32" tall tires. For years I had a copper 4 core radiator with internal trans cooler and a large tube and fin cooler mounted about an inch in front of the radiator core. I don't know the dimensions, but it covered at least half the radiator. I have a transmission temp gauge with sending unit in the pan.

I pull a thousand pound trailer equipped for camping. I hauled this setup out to Utah and went camping in the Manti-La Sal mountains one spring. Some 80-90 degree temps; had to do a lot of stopping on long uphills to let the transmission cool off. I usually stopped when the gauge passed 190.

Five years later I was back in the same area, roughly the same temps & altitudes. Same vehicle, trailer, etc. Before I left, rather than take my leaking 4 core radiator to the shop for the third time, I bought a copper OEM spec 3 core made in Mexico radiator (with internal trans cooler) from Summit. Upgraded my external trans cooler to a Derale stacked plate model 13403 in the same mounting location. This one's 2" thick X 13" wide X 7-5/16" tall.

Huge difference in cooling. Consistently ran about 15 degrees cooler than before. I don't remember ever seeing a transmission temp reading higher than 180.
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smallest radiator ever. :)
 

toddz69

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Very nice installation job. Those are good coolers - modeled after the Setrab cooler. I ran one until very recently.

Todd Z.
 
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knack

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I'm wondering if the radiator being more efficient leaves water coming out of the radiator colder, and that is further cooling the ATF?
That's possible, but I didn't notice any difference in water temps. I was more focused on the transmission temperature though, that's where I was having problems.
 

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So long as the thermostat is in control of the water temp, I wouldn't expect you to see any change in operating temp of the engine water.
 
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knack

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We did run across a few old mine sites. It's quite an area. Looks like there would be just about no end to the exploring a person could do.
 

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When it's in the 90's in Moab for the Safari or any other trip, my wife and I go up in the La Sal's. Didn't know there were any gold mines in the area. Never asked, never knew so guess we have some more exploring to do! We usually end up in CO when we go wandering.... :) LOVE the area.

Already got some dates set for this spring...
 

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When it's in the 90's in Moab for the Safari or any other trip, my wife and I go up in the La Sal's. Didn't know there were any gold mines in the area. Never asked, never knew so guess we have some more exploring to do! We usually end up in CO when we go wandering.... :) LOVE the area.

Already got some dates set for this spring...
There’s a bunch in dome plateau too
 

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gnpenning

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I have more questions than answers.
Back in the late 80s early 90s a friend and I did a spring turkey hunt in the La Sal's using ATVs. We found an old mine and spent some time exploring. In the way in we had a grouse attack our ATVs. Pretty funny attacking armed guys with just a beak. She put a big challenge on the way out. Pretty sure she was defending her best.

The following month 4 wheeler magazine did an article on that very mine. Would have been nice to have received some of the information before going but cool to get the history.

Fascinating area. Need to get back down there and explore.
 

nvrstuk

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Already talked to my copilot who agrees that we have some more exploring to do! :)
 
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