95 mustang motor swap issues, timing cover

[70sbudget]

ugh, the list of issues ive run into with this swap is silly. trying to stay positive with the small wins everyday of the build but these are frustrating. when you call customer service because the aftermarket serpentine kit doesnt fit and they ask you what year motor you have. "sir, i have a 95" "um, oh, thats not good".


anyway,,,,,,, i have a 1995 mustang 302 going into the bronco. the timing cover and water pump need to come off and get swapped out because i cannot run just a reverse water pump and the timing cover because im running just an alternator and it needs to spin the other way. the timing cover needs to change because the water pump pulley hits the cover.

so my questions are these. can i use the original timing cover from the bronco or a similar. i would like to run a mechanical fuel pump but the current motor is an electric fuel pump. can i run a mechanical fuel pump with this motor? if so what is needed?

im sure more questions will pop up. thanks for your time guys. your help is appreciated.

 

[Skiddy]

I assume you have the dipstick in the block. if you get a timing cover that has the cut out for the fuel pump, also will need a cam eccentric on the end of the cam to run the fuel pump. only issue that I have heard is depending on what timing chain is on it you may have to clearance the inside of the cover maybe? someone will know for sure on that.
do you have the complete front dress of the old engine?

 

[73azbronco]

Do not use an explorer front water pump which is the majority of issues. They use a one off design which through my research, no aftermarket front serps will work.

 

[70sbudget]

i do have the complete front set from the old motor. however, the old motor was blocked full of radiator stop leak in the intake so i assume it is in the water pump also. so i can use the old timing cover but it may not clear the chain?

will the new block have a clearance for the mechanical fuel pump if i decide to go that route or is that contained entirely in the timing cover?

skiddy, i have not found a hole in the block for the dipstick to be honest.

do i have to remove the cam to install a cam esscentric? murphys law says i will have to.

 

[Skiddy]

nope no need to pull the cam, and yep it will all be inside of the timing cover, being a 95 block the dipstick would be in the block on the drivers side. sounds like your in better shape than you thought huh

 

[70sbudget]

Skiddy thx.

So to review, use the old timing cover and fuel pump, purchase a new water pump, and dipstick and eccentric thingamajiggy

 

[Skiddy]

yep that should be it and some gaskets

 

[70sbudget]

skiddy, thx for your help. last question. is the eccentric for the 70 to fit the timing cover or the 95 to fit the block? sorry this chevy convert is learning as i go.

 

[langester]

I just did this on an 89 motor. I used the original timing cover and eccentric for the fuel pump. On mine I am using a carb, I had to get a longer pin for the cam to fit the eccentric to run the fuel pump. I plugged the hole in the block for the dip stick, I am running the original pan for the Bronco and the dip stick is in the pan. Hope it helps. Good luck with your project.

 

[70sbudget]

langster, glad you chimed in. so the 95 motor has a different fuel pan with a oil level sensor in the drivers side of the pan. i havent noticed a dip stick hole. maybe it was already plugged. where was it on your block? im curious how the carb effected the length of the fuel pump pin. please expand. thank you

is there an eccentric attached to the original cam that i can use?

 

[gavindg]

On my '91 engine

 

[langester]

On my motor ( 89, 5.0 out of a crown vic) the dipstick came into the middle of the motor on the drivers side ( I think). On my cam I had to order a kit for the fuel pump eccentric which came with a longer pin for the end of the cam to engage the eccentric. I used the original front cover to allow for the fuel pump.
Hope it helps!

 

[langester]

I forgot to add: As far as the eccentric goes my original one was a one piece and I didn't like it. I ordered a 2 piece, the outside ring rotates on the inside ring, it seems to be a better design in my opinion. I think both will work just fine. The kit I ordered off of ebay and it came with the new longer pin and a new cam bolt as well.

 

[DirtDonk]

What serpentine kit are you going to be running budget? Reason I ask is that some aftermarket setups might not even fit between the front of the motor and the back of the radiator on an EB, without some very fancy fabwork.
If yours is a more compact model, hopefully you'll be ok.
Just a heads-up on that score. Hate to see you source all the stuff to make yours like an earlier model just to find out nothing fits in your chassis!

And by the way, it sounds like you did not get any of the '95 serpentine stuff I take it? Too bad, as the '94 and '95 Mustangs had the most compact factory serpentine setup next to the Explorer. A little different design than the Explorer maybe, but virtually as compact.
Just adding that in case the source you got the engine from happens to have the serp drive setup still.

I forgot to add: As far as the eccentric goes my original one was a one piece and I didn't like it. I ordered a 2 piece, the outside ring rotates on the inside ring, it seems to be a better design in my opinion. I think both will work just fine.

Those were both used by Ford concurrently. The 1-piece design was Ford's heavy-duty version for use on police car engines, fleet trucks, maybe a hi-po engine or two in the muscle cars too maybe(?) and the 2-piece was more for less rolling resistance.
Not really sure why they felt it wasn't heavy duty enough for some applications though. Maybe it was a requirement by certain law enforcement entities that it had to be a one-piece thing? Don't know.

Paul

 

[sprdv1]

skiddy, thx for your help. last question. is the eccentric for the 70 to fit the timing cover or the 95 to fit the block? sorry this chevy convert is learning as i go.

He is helpful at times..