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Best Refurbished 302?

RealJakeMalloy

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My old 302 crate engine blew a crank - it is banging from the top to the bottom and the consensus seems to be to just put a new engine in there instead of a crank kit? Anyone have a great experience anywhere in particular for a refurbished 302? Any other suggestions welcome. I have a 1976 that I have had for a long time.
 

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Blueprint or ATK, but if it were me I’d take it to a local machine shop and have them rebuild it.
 
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RealJakeMalloy

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Blueprint or ATK, but if it were me I’d take it to a local machine shop and have them rebuild it.
I called a local shop that works on older cars and they said by the time the rebuild was done it would cost $6K vs. $3K. Any reason to rebuild vs. buy? I am not mechanical so curious.
 

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For $3K, I would look for an Explorer with the 5.0 and do a swap. Might even have beer money left over. Despite you not being mechanical, which could be the hang up.
 

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I called a local shop that works on older cars and they said by the time the rebuild was done it would cost $6K vs. $3K. Any reason to rebuild vs. buy? I am not mechanical so curious.
Are you having them pull the engine and send it off for a rebuild? If you pull it your self and take it a machine shop you’ll save a lot of money.
 

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If you are not mechanical I would maker sure to get a 5.0 roller engine
 

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almost 20 years ago I used Atk it was dropped off in my drive way and the old engine put in the case and and they picked up from my drive way. I also had an atk toyota 4 cylinder dropped off and it failed less than a year later and they warrentyed it admitted it was their fault and they warrentied it with no issues but time lost.
 

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For $3K, I would look for an Explorer with the 5.0 and do a swap. Might even have beer money left over. Despite you not being mechanical, which could be the hang up.
all said and done wouldn't you be way deeper than $3k? wiring, motor itself, mounts, etc.
 

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all said and done wouldn't you be way deeper than $3k? wiring, motor itself, mounts, etc.
I'm sure I am missing something and its been a few years so I am sure prices have gone up, but I did it for significantly south of 3K....
5.0 with 90 day warranty $300
Fitech unit $800
Headers $300
HEI distributor $100
50 oz flexplate: $60
Intake Manifold (swapped over) $0
Oil Pan (swapped over) $0
Oil Pickup (swapped over) $0
Valve Covers (swapped over) $0
Beer $200
 
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RealJakeMalloy

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It sounds like nobody thinks putting in a new crank kit makes sense? $3K vs. $4K in the long run does not matter if I end up with a reliable outcome, which would be the goal.
 

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When you say banging from top to bottom, it sounds like you have a piston smacking the head. At this point how many good parts are left in the old engine? That's why it makes sense to just replace the whole thing.
 

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Until you remove and disassemble the motor you have, there is no way to determine how much damage there is, and if it can be salvaged.

As suggested, find a Roller motor, Explorer, have it rebuilt and go from there. Labor rates are all over the place, parts for rebuilds are had to come by. Machinists that are still in business are slammed with work as they are getting fewer and farther between. My local guy is scheduling work in November! And he is having a hard time finding parts, so he buys from everybody.

Regarding rebuilders, they are slammed as well, months out. Then there is the whole warranty thing, I certainly only want to do the work once.
 

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a ford 302 when run so long will need everything to res-erect it it doesnt make sense to rebuild especially if it had a crank failure. most 302 were done by 100,000 miles. a 5.0 fuel injected engine is just broken in at 100,000 miles if it has been taken care of. carburetors washing fuel down the cylinder walls poor oil and engine running too cold old, oil blends didn't help any. so when you decide to rebuild an engine you want to go the superior build. its just time to huck the old motor and replace it with a new one unless there is some sentimental reason.
 
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RealJakeMalloy

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Thanks everyone. I have no practical reason to keep the old motor. I was not aware of the roller 5.0 Explorer option. Ideally, I would get it already rebuilt - I assume Google can help there unless there are preferred places people already know?

The old motor failure was caused by a strange thing - there was no tangible oil leak - no spots on the ground, etc. - yet somehow most of the oil had leaked out causing the failure. I was told this could have leaked out as fumes via the tailpipe? Anyway, I will get it all fixed at once - some electrical too.
 

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Sorry to hear you lost an engine. I have a always rebuilt the old one, but in this case I agree with those that say get a new one.

The missing oil is basically why in the old days (and when you’re using an old vehicle you are essentially back in the old days) we used to check the engine oil with every gas fill up.
Once you determine that an engine has normal oil use, you still checked it every couple of weeks, or less.

Yes oil burns and goes out the tailpipe, oil leaks in small to large areas (but you notice a large oil leak usually), oil gets sucked out and burned through a badly implemented PCV system, past the rings & valve guides and some oil will disappear just in normal use.
The older the engine is both in design and age, the more quickly it uses it.
So even when you get your new engine you should check it fairly often compared to a modern vehicle.
Especially when it’s new.

Buying a wrecked Explorer for cheap and using the engine and other associated parts is a great way to get a good engine. But it’s a lot of work and not usually something that people do when they don’t have all the tools and time and experience to do it themselves.
You can hire someone to do it if you find the right shop, but there’s the kicker too sometimes.
Depends on where you live and what type of shops you have around.

As they alluded to above, companies like Blueprint Engines are well thought of and have some good options, but from what I understand they are pretty far behind getting an assembled engine shipped out. Possibly the same for most rebuilders but we haven’t heard news about many of the others lately.
Since this probably isn’t your daily driver anyway(?), waiting a few extra months to get what you want may not be the end of the world.

Sounds like you might as well check a few places, including local AutoZone at O’Reillys stores, determine what you want and place your order soon just to get in line.
With any luck someone will have what you need fairly quickly if you’re not trying to go too exotic.
Maybe stock is easier to get and most of our long wait stories are only about performance engines.

And let us know if you find anything because others might be looking as well.

Good luck.
 

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The explorer motor is a great option. Even the accessory package works great with Broncos. There are a few details that need to be checked as not everything is a perfect carry over from all years. Engine balance, if you try using any of the old accessory drive and not the Explorer drive as well if you try to use the old flywheel. Stuff bolts up, but doesn't work right, and there are ways to take care of it that are not bad. Dry to use the old distributor, or another replacment distributor, got to get the gear material correct or the gears will self destruct and send metal through the engine. And some Explorers had different spark plug angles that don't work with most headers and require modifying the stock cast iron manifolds. Nothing huge, all well known.
 

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Buying a wrecked Explorer for cheap and using the engine and other associated parts is a great way to get a good engine. But it’s a lot of work and not usually something that people do when they don’t have all the tools and time and experience to do it themselves.
You can hire someone to do it if you find the right shop, but there’s the kicker too sometimes.
Depends on where you live and what type of shops you have around.

This is me. I appreciate all the comments and suggestions in this thread, but to assume folks have the knowledge, tools and space to do this just isn't realistic. I wouldn't call myself an expert by any means, but i'm also not a novice... been wrenching on cars for 25 years.
 
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RealJakeMalloy

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This is a great thread and incredibly helpful. I really appreciate the input from everyone. What a great community!
 
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