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Brake Pedal Soft

gooch66

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I have a '75 EB with a 302, front disc brakes and power brake kit. I don't have any brake line leaks. At least none that I been able to find. My brake pedal is soft at the initial touch, then it engages slightly and pushing it the rest of the way feels like normal. Is this s vacuum leak? What else do I need to check?

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Is that different from what it was before? Did it start out good, or did it start acting like this after some work. Perhaps after a disc swap, or a booster swap?
Did you do the disc and booster at the same time?
Which kit did you go with, and which master cylinder does it have?

Mushy means air somewhere.
Soft could be too small of a master, or the rears needing adjustment (might be the issue in your case) larger GM calipers acting normally, or perhaps a clearance issue with the calipers if it's a GM-based kit. This last is not as likely as the griding/clearance issue usually gives different symptoms I think.

Paul
 
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Nothing has changed and I have had the vehicle for three years. Brand new crate motor, sic brakes and power brake kit was in place when I bough the EB. Do you think I have an air leak somewhere?
 

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I would not think so. It's possible of course, but you almost always feel air in the system as a very mushy pedal. Not "soft" per sé and usually not just for the first bit of travel, but overall mushy.
It's possible that some of your bell-crank linkage for the booster is having an issue.
Or the pedal rod might be coming loose? I would certainly visually inspect all the linkage if you have not already.

It's possible too, that there is a bit too much gap between the booster rod and the back of the master cylinder. This would not only feel "soft" to the foot, but would also not give you any braking.

And last but not least, the booster itself may be giving you some negative feedback during that first bit of pedal travel.

The brakes are still strong though, so that's a very good sign.
What happens when the engine is off and you push the pedal? Very hard right from the get-go? Or do you feel like you can push the pedal easily at first still? This is after you've pushed the pedal a couple of times to get rid of all vacuum.

Then, after the last test, push and hold the pedal while you start the engine.
Normal behavior is for it to be tight and high, then as soon as the engine starts cranking and vacuum builds up, the pedal should immediately be easier to push.

And another test would be to apply the parking brake one or two notches if you can, to see if that changes the attitude of the pedal. If yours is real tight, you won't be able to do this easily. But if you can get three to five clicks on your parking brake when setting it, then one or two clicks to test their adjustment should not cause any trouble.
Drive it with the pedal down those two clicks and see if your main brake pedal feel changes.

Let us know how that all works out.

Paul
 

Digger556

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I have a '75 EB with a 302, front disc brakes and power brake kit. I don't have any brake line leaks. At least none that I been able to find. My brake pedal is soft at the initial touch, then it engages slightly and pushing it the rest of the way feels like normal. Is this s vacuum leak? What else do I need to check?

Thank you!

When I had a vacuum booster, that is what it felt like. It's normal.
 

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Your mc could be by passing the rear brake circuit into the front. This will give you a soft pedal at first then it will take up. Had this on an F-150 recently.
 
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After that initial touch, the pedal is as firm as it should be. It’s like there is some type of suction that pulls the slack out of the pedal, it slightly engages and it feel like normal.
 
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Well, front disc brakes adjusted, lines bled, and rear drums adjusted. Pedal still has slack in it but once you apply slight pressure, the pedal engages and the brakes catch. From that point the feel of the pedal is firm all the way. If I adjust the pedal will this help?
 

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There's always going to be "slack" in the system that equates to pedal travel before the brakes will begin to engage. There should be free play between the booster output rod and the master cylinder piston, there's slop in the pedal linkages and pivots, there is the amount that the pistons in the calipers retract due to the square o-rings, runnout from the rotors that have pushed the pads back slightly, etc. So if what you're describing is just taking up the slack in the brake system of a 44 year old truck, then I would think that everything is working as it should.
 
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