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E303 Cam Spring Requirements.

Toyaddict71

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Hello. I am rebuilding a stroked 302 with a FRPP E303 cam and iron GT40 heads. The current springs are 90 lbs on seat at 1.850, 275 lbs. open at .500 Ex., and 285 lbs. @ .500 In. FRPP site says minimum 120 lbs seat and 295 lbs. open. My machinist says my current springs are fine. Any opinions? Also, FRPP site recommends their M-6513-A50 springs and of course they don't make them anymore.
 

DirtDonk

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What does your machinist mean by "they're fine" though? That they meet specifications for that type, or that they'll work fine with the quite aggressive E cam? Could be a big difference.
I don't think the open specs are out of line. But the difference in seat pressure is quite a bit. 90 to 120 is 33% or so, correct? That seems like a lot in the cam world.

I bet they'd work adequately for moderate playing around maybe. At least for awhile. Maybe I'm a mama's boy at heart, but spring selection is not one of the things I've ever second guessed the manufacturer on. I've always used the springs that the cam manufacturer recommended to get the most out of their cam.
I don't hold to their own brand always, but I do follow the recommendations for lbs.

And hopefully you're building a motor to snort around in and have some heavy right-footed fun? Those E303's have been the bane of Bronco owner's existence for about a decade now. Just too lopey and lumpy for most of us. On or off road.
But since you're building a stroker that might be able to take better advantage of it's characteristics, it might be right up your alley.

But I wanted to mention other member's feelings about it just in case.
Good luck with the spring selection. My vote is the better springs right off the bat.
Spending all the time, money and effort now and then dealing with a lower-then-expected rpm capability, erratic tuning from bouncing valves, prematurely fatigued, or broken springs because they weren't up to the task would be a pain. Hate to do it all over again.

Paul
 

Joe473

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Check out Alex's parts.com. drop in spring kit for the explorer gt 40 and another kit for gt-40p. Bought my springs, full roller rockers. Length checker and then pushrods from him. Knowledgeable guy.

On the cam I agree with paul there are better profiles out there than the ford racing cams of the '90s.

Running the 35-349 in a 347 and have good idle and plenty of vacuum for power brakes.

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englewoodcowboy

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On the cam I would have to disagree for our usage. Now if you were making an engine that needs to run 8K rpms then yes, the E303 is way outdated. I run it in my stroked 347 and am at Max tq at 2500 rpms I am also runnign the FiTech and it is managing the cam a little too well, I am not getting much lope at idle that I was hoping for but it is still a great all around cam in my configuration. If you go that route and have an auto transmission, be sure to get a higher stall as that helps tremendously with it overall.

As for the OP question, I think the springs will be fine again, you are not looking for lots of rpms which is where they will show any issues so you should be ok.

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On the cams It really depends on the rest of the combo to see which one is a better fit. To me the newer profiles appear to make better power throughout the rpm range. Not just at 8000 rpm. The 349 cam max range is only 5500. Very similar to the e303.

On the springs if the heads came off an explorer I would not take a chance. Break a spring eat a valve and ruin a brand new engine for the cost of a set of springs. Even if they came off a Mustang if they don't meet specs of cam why chance it.



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Timmy390

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X2 on http://www.alexsparts.com/ Just bought my springs there to upgrade my GT40P's so I can run a Comp 35-349-8/XE264HR

OP, where did the GT40's come from? The stock springs on the GT40's and GT40P's are very weak and will not handle much lift at all. You need to run springs that are correct for your cam. The cam you choose will determine the springs. Got my springs for $140 shipped.

Tim
 

scsm76

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On the cam I would have to disagree for our usage. Now if you were making an engine that needs to run 8K rpms then yes, the E303 is way outdated. I run it in my stroked 347 and am at Max tq at 2500 rpms I am also runnign the FiTech and it is managing the cam a little too well, I am not getting much lope at idle that I was hoping for but it is still a great all around cam in my configuration. If you go that route and have an auto transmission, be sure to get a higher stall as that helps tremendously with it overall.

As for the OP question, I think the springs will be fine again, you are not looking for lots of rpms which is where they will show any issues so you should be ok.

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I have a very similar setup 347,e303, mustang EFI. The midrange torque is good, and it idles fairly smooth, but it stalls too easy wheeling at idle. It just doesn't make good idle torque. Shifting into gear, especially reverse stalls the engine often. I have a c4 and the reverse shifts are abrupt.
I am really close to ripping the E303 out. There are other cams that give the same or better power with more low end torque and good idle qualities.
And for the OP, yes you should upgrade the springs. The stock springs will work for a while, but when they fail it will be and expensive fix. As for the E303 my opinion is avoid it.
 

Timmy390

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torque is good, and it idles fairly smooth, but it stalls too easy wheeling at idle. It just doesn't make good idle torque.

Yup, 2500-5500rpm Basic Operating RPM Range is not good IMO for a Bronco.

I did a lot of research and landed on the Comp 35-349-8/XE264HR
Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 264/270
Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 212/218
Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .512/.512
LSA/ICL:114/110
RPM Range: 1,500-5,500

Tim
 

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Suitability of the cam aside, the springs I would install for that would be Comp Cams 924s.
 
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Thanks all for the responses. Not much brings out more opinions than Cam choices, but the cam is a done deal in this instance. I just need to figure out the springs. The springs currently on the heads are aftermarket. Not stock. Thanks again!
 

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Correct spring pressure is important. and getting it right can be more involved than many would like. It's best not to just buy correctly rated springs or even use the springs in a cam kit without properly weighing them on your heads. It's a small investment to have a good machine shop set them up. Often it only takes them some shims to get the right spring pressure for your cam.
It's all part of building a good motor. Don't get into a hurry.;)
 
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