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Gas Tank vent

Glass Pony

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So have a BC broncos gas tank I'm currently using an anti roll over vent valve mounted above the rear tail light. I'm not a fan of it when the tank is full any little angle the gas comes flowing out. Which gets real annoying on a long winding trail ride.

What is everyone doing to vent there tanks?

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...MIztmkoM6G6gIViZWzCh16TwOvEAQYASABEgLJZvD_BwE
I use the Delorean check valve which is the same as the 76-77 Bronco plumbed to a charcoal canister on the firewall. The charcoal canister is plumbed like in this picture. (Canadian vehicles using leaded fuel, lower left)


http://store.delorean.com/p-6703-rollover-check-valve.aspx
 

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I use fuel line with a mower fuel filter in the end. I then zip tied It to the filler neck inside the fender
 

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...I'm currently using an anti roll over vent valve mounted above the rear tail light.
I'm not a fan of it when the tank is full any little angle the gas comes flowing out.

Are you using the one in the link you posted from Tanks Inc? If so, it seems to me then, that your valve is not working as expected.
The whole point is to keep gas in the tank and not flowing out the tube no matter what the reason. Not just if your vehicle is upside down.

It should block any liquid with any force behind it at all I would think. That way it can allow vapors to escape, but not liquid when you're bouncing, off-camber, or under whatever circumstances allow liquid up into the tube.
If it's getting up there just from you filling the tank though, then I can understand how it might manage to splash out. But that means you're able to fill the tank too far to begin with.

Maybe just try another one?
Check with Tanks Inc to see if that's how they work. If so, maybe they'll send you another one to try.

Good luck either way though. Not much can ruin a nice trail ride as quickly as the heavy smell of gas!

Paul
 
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Are you using the one in the link you posted from Tanks Inc? If so, it seems to me then, that your valve is not working as expected.
The whole point is to keep gas in the tank and not flowing out the tube no matter what the reason. Not just if your vehicle is upside down.

It should block any liquid with any force behind it at all I would think. That way it can allow vapors to escape, but not liquid when you're bouncing, off-camber, or under whatever circumstances allow liquid up into the tube.
If it's getting up there just from you filling the tank though, then I can understand how it might manage to splash out. But that means you're able to fill the tank too far to begin with.

Maybe just try another one?
Check with Tanks Inc to see if that's how they work. If so, maybe they'll send you another one to try.

Good luck either way though. Not much can ruin a nice trail ride as quickly as the heavy smell of gas!

Paul

Unfortunately mine is working correctly according to tanks inc. The vent has to be 180 before it will stop fuel. It appears my issues are that the fuel is expanding and pushing past the vent according form Jason at BC.

So it appears I have 3 options

1. Stop filling it so fuel apparently a 23 gallon tank can hold like 25 gallons.

2. Add the later years charcoal canister, valve, and expansion tank.

3. Add a small expansion tank between my current rollover valve and main tank.
 

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I would go with option 3. I vented mine to an expansion tank I built and put in the same place as the stock one then ran the vent from the tank to the air filter. No fuel smell when engine is running and very minimal when stopped.
 

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I've got the same issue with my WH M1A1 tank. I have a coyote setup so I have supply and return hooked to a fuel pressure regulator (55psi). I then took my vent and ran a hose up and above the filler neck. The last 3-4 times I've filled it full of gas it ends up spewing out the vent hose.
 

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Wish designers would figure out that tanks need at least 2 vent locations, one on each side, tie the 2 together and use a tee in the center for your vent line, all but eliminates the vent line from spewing fuel, may still happen but not near as much, it keeps one side open to the atmosphere when one side gets covered with fuel so it is not building up pressure and spewing
 
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Wish designers would figure out that tanks need at least 2 vent locations, one on each side, tie the 2 together and use a tee in the center for your vent line, all but eliminates the vent line from spewing fuel, may still happen but not near as much, it keeps one side open to the atmosphere when one side gets covered with fuel so it is not building up pressure and spewing

Interesting idea, that would defiantly would solve the issue of fuel running out the vent when the tank is at an angle. Also the vent locations on the sides of the tank could be part of the problem. I was looking around at some of the newer tanks and tank vent was coming out of the fuel pump mount in the center of the tank, which should act very similar to what yeller is saying at least in my head haha;D.


I think my issue is i'm overfilling the tank. According to Jason at BC their 23 gallon tank can fit closer to 25 if not filled properly. Which when the fuel gets hot it expands and the only place to go is the vent. But I plan to add a little expansion tank to help the issue as well.
 

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Wish designers would figure out that tanks need at least 2 vent locations, one on each side, tie the 2 together and use a tee in the center for your vent line, all but eliminates the vent line from spewing fuel, may still happen but not near as much, it keeps one side open to the atmosphere when one side gets covered with fuel so it is not building up pressure and spewing

Right!
When the fuel gets warm after a fill-up, it's neo so much the expanding fuel as it is the expanding air trapped in the tank. This is a big problem on Falcon Wagons and Rancheros that have a flat tank with no air chamber. Many fix it by adding another vent.

For a quick fix, I have lowered the opposite end of the tank a bit. It doesn't take much, just so the tank is higher at the filler end.
 
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Right!

When the fuel gets warm after a fill-up, it's neo so much the expanding fuel as it is the expanding air trapped in the tank. This is a big problem on Falcon Wagons and Rancheros that have a flat tank with no air chamber. Many fix it by adding another vent.



What about Krawlers Edge's design with everything being on top of the tank as opposed to being recessed below like many of the others.

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We'd have to look inside to see if there is any difference.
All the aftermarket tanks load their stuff from the top. Whether it's surface mount like the KE shown, or recessed like our M1A1 (https://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product/M1A1-Stainless-Tank-23Gal-Skid-Plate/Bronco_EFI_Tanks) does not necessarily change how the tank handles vapors and expansion.

How full the tank can be filled before it shuts off the pump would make a big difference.
If when you fill it, you can get the fuel level right up into the neck like in the old days before EVAP, it's not going to handle much expansion or slosh.

If that filler neck in the KE tank extends down into the tank a few inches it should leave that few inches of air at the top of the tank.
If nobody here has checked or knows, maybe give them a call to see how it's constructed. Maybe they have images of the inside.

Paul
 

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I am glad this topic has come up. I have a problem that has left me baffled. I have a new stock 12 gallon tank with new fuel lines and connecting hoses on a 75 Bronc. I am running two fuel filters in line, aftermarket air cleaner and I continue to get a fine black residue in my carb. Could my charcoal canister cause this problem or could it be the black paint in the engine compartment deteriorating? Thanks!
 

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I don't suppose deteriorating paint is impossible, but it does seem unlikely. More like either gasses backing up into the intake during the normal combustion process, or excess blowby gasses coming in from the PCV. But in the case of the PCV, that action takes place under the throttle blades and inside the manifold, so is also not as likely.

But it does not seem likely either, that it can be anything to do with the fuel tank or plumbing. Where do you have the two filters, and why? Do you have the stock sock-filter on the end of the sending unit in the new tank? Then one up near the carburetor presumably? Other one is inline somewhere between the tank and pump?
That layout is not out of line, with the additional filter, but it's one more than the factory had and is also not likely causing the black (soot?) issue.
However, if you ever start feeling the engine stumble under load, or start to run poorly when going uphill or at high speeds on the highway, it might be one or more of the filters starting to clog up.
What carburetor? Choke opening up all the way and relatively quickly?
Open element air filter?
How is the PCV system plumbed in, and how is the EVAP/charcoal canister plumbed in?
How fast does it turn black after cleaning?

And I guess the last question is, how does it run?
No matter what though, it does not sound to me as if it's related to tank venting.

Paul
 
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