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I'm doing a removeable front clip

skrit

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There will be hatred for this as "its not as strong as welding".

I want to able to remove each side of the inner fenders and wheel tubs for access.

Wheel tubs will be bolted as well.

All metal to metal sandwiched areas are getting a coat of 3M auto epoxy to eliminate any rust in between. There will be no seam sealer.

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tasker

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Did the same on my project build, special made glass inner nose one piece
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tasker

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USED angle iron on the brackets. Probably the best pic I have without the nose on (to give you an idea)
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BOBS 2 68S

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In the video the nyloc was not installed correctly, not enough thread contact with the nylon. Steel lock nuts should have been included.
The nord-loc system is good, we used them on printing press at the newspaper.
Just my $.02
 

bigmuddy

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I knew a guy when I lived in South Carolina and he had a removable front clip. Essentially, done the same way as Tasker and you are suggesting. Worked fine.
 

AZ73

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My only issue with Nylocs (and I have them on specific places in my Bronco) is that once you take them back off, like to remove your front clip, they get weaker. In fact the manufacturer recommends them for single use in critical applications (like on the airplane I use) or machinery subject to vibration. But I guess bolting the apron on isn't really critical or subject to a lot of vibration so you should be fine.
 

ntsqd

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Real world I've found that nylox can be re-used 3-5 times before their grip on the male thread has been reduced to the point of being ineffective.

For critical ground vehicle stuff I use all metal locking nuts and consider those and the bolts they're used on to be one-time use fasteners unless they were assembled with anti-seize in the threads. Then it's a case by case analysis whether they get re-used or not.

Is there even a MIL-Spec for nylox? I'd be using MS/NAS/etc. type hardware only on aircraft.

Anecdotal: I worked with a rep for a plating company on some projects that was doing Electroless Nickel - Teflon coatings in the mid 80's. He told of how they'd plated some of the self-locking Jet-nuts or K-nuts used in a helicopter application where they were having a corrosion problem. Apparently the plating reduced the Coefficient of Friction on the nuts enough that in spite of their being self-locking the vibes of the helicopter was shaking them loose and they'd lost some of the nuts!
 

Bitch'nBronco

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Ditch the lock washers, they're a failure mode by themselves. Use some form of locking nut and flat washers.
Can you expand a bit on why lock washers are a failure mode? I've always used them thinking they were good for their intended purpose and would like to learn why you think they're no good
 

ntsqd

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Split lock washers always break into two pieces eventually. They tend to be brittle, so that can happen before install and at any time after that. Once that happens the joint has failed. The position of the author below is that if the mechanism by which the lock washer is purported to work becomes active then that the joint has already failed and the lock washer is useless. He defines a failed bolt joint as one that is no longer at the installed torque. Bolted joints are surprisingly complicated critters, there's a lot going on in one that isn't obvious.

If you really want to deep dive into why to not use them, as well as a HUGE amount of other similar knowledge buy a copy of "Engineer to Win" by Carrol Smith. I've used that book as a reference for college Engineering classes because the class text books didn't do as good of a job at explaining the topics in plain English. Another worthy title of Mr. Smith's is "Nuts, Bolts, Fasteners, & Plumbing."
I met the man at SEMA a couple of years before he passed away. When reading his books you might get the idea that he was quite a character, and that's understating it! He wrote a series of books titled "___ to Win", but "Engineer to Win" nearly covers everything on it's own. What it doesn't cover that is in the other books may not apply to off-pavement use.
"Nuts, Bolts, etc." goes more in depth on those topics in it's title. He told me that he wanted to call that book "Screw to Win" in keeping with his other titles, but the publisher would not go for that idea.

If you really don't want a bolt or nut to move look into how to install Safety Wire. The bolt or nut can still move, but its a whole lot harder to do.

I do use internal and external star type washers. Not for their possible locking function, but for their ability to get thru paint and coatings to form a good electrical ground.
 

ntsqd

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Those are known as "Belleville Washers" in the fastener world, and they're better at being short stroke, high load springs. As a lock washer the same failed joint definition applies to them too. They're great for situations where it needs to be somewhat tight, but can still move. I use one in my rotating lunette assembly to be the spring in it's anti-rotation friction brake.
 

AZ73

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Apparently the plating reduced the Coefficient of Friction on the nuts enough that in spite of their being self-locking the vibes of the helicopter was shaking them loose and they'd lost some of the nuts!

I hope it wasn't the Jesus Nut!
 
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