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Leaky proportioning valve

Joe473

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Anybody find a disk drum proportioning valve that doesn't leak?

I had a leaky one from one vendor 2 years ago it was 90 days old when I let them know and they would not replace. Just purchased another one over the winter and had no leaks during bleeding testing and a month of driving until I just checked things over tonight.

If anyone has had success from a vendor let me know.

Thanks

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deltabronco

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Duffs sold me a good one. JBG wouldnt replace the leaky one they sold me due to time i owned it. I had ut a year before i installed it. It leaked immediately.
 

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Mine leaked at first.

I believe it was the seat. I loosened and tightened it a number of times. This presumably smoothed out the seat area of the line nut or the body of the pro. valve. It never leaked again. Been about 10 years.....
 

camp9k

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yep...after a year...it was replaced with no charge.
 
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Joe473

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So this one is leaking from the rubber plug on front. All lines are bone dry. Just started after a long trip. Is heat fro exhaust an issue for these?

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Hi, I went through that until I got a good one from Napa. Three Bronco parts house valves, and they swore it doesn't happen very often. All 3 leaked from the front rubber plug. I went through about $20 worth of brake fluid. I had to check for the leak before every drive. I would see the leak after a few weeks and say !@#$. Good luck
 
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Joe473

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Do you have a Napa part number or did you just order for 76 disk drum truck?

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Hi, sorry I can't find the receipt or part number. We picked it out of the parts book at the counter. I had the bad one with me and we matched it up out of the book. I think it was a generic Napa universal part. Good luck
 
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Joe473

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Thanks for looking. Vendor is sending me a new one. I'm hoping it's not a yearly thing.

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Hi, mine didn't last that long. I was fed up with waiting for a new one and all that crap. I'm happy with the one from Napa. They know me there and hep me out. Go ther when the next one fails. I'll keep my eye open for the part #. Good luck
 

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The leak is a common problem. I think the problem happens during the assembly at the prop valve factory. The brass is machined and sharp and fit tolerances of the valves and seals are tight - so, I believe the seal in the front behind the rubber plug possibly gets nicked / cut during installation and then after the brake fluid and pressure is applied, it leaks. When I disassembled mine to replace the valve / seal assembly, I found a detached sliver of the rubber seal behind the plug that apparently got cut while the valve was being assembled.


Just my opinion though


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Joe473

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The leak is a common problem. I think the problem happens during the assembly at the prop valve factory. The brass is machined and sharp and fit tolerances of the valves and seals are tight - so, I believe the seal in the front behind the rubber plug possibly gets nicked / cut during installation and then after the brake fluid and pressure is applied, it leaks. When I disassembled mine to replace the valve / seal assembly, I found a detached sliver of the rubber seal behind the plug that apparently got cut while the valve was being assembled.


Just my opinion though


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Where did you get the valve/seal assembly?

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DJs74

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Where did you get the valve/seal assembly?

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I purchased the entire power brake conversion kit for my '74 from Jeff's Bronco Graveyard and the proportioning valve was included with the kit. When I installed the new brake system including the prop valve, the motor wasn't in yet so I had plenty of room to work. When it started leaking, I called JBG and explained and they sent me another whole new unit but because you have basically zero room to work in the prop valve area when the motor is in, I just took the rubber plug out, removed the internal valve and seals and swapped them out with the new one from JBG. The P/N from JBG for the complete proportioning valve is 12564.

You might call up one / any of the vendors selling the complete valve and ask if anyone sells replacement parts.


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I can't verify this but there is a good chance that the proportioning valve most bronco vendors are stocking comes from the same manufacturer. We actually just installed one on a Bronco and after bleeding the brakes it started leaking from the front where that rubber plug is. We talked to our rep and he said that one of the ways to create a leak is to use a vacuum assist pump to bleed the brakes. We had in fact used a vacuum pump. He sent us the replacement unit and instead of replacing the whole thing i just un screwed the relief valve and swapped it into the one already installed. Then i gravity bled all four corners and have had zero issues since. I inspected the pieces that came out of the leaky one and I did see a small nick in the rubber seal. I have no clue what caused the leak but I have a few more Broncos that are getting brake jobs soon so i will be keeping a close eye on the p valve to see if using a vaccum assisted pump creates a leak.

Please feel free to prove or disprove their theory just don't beat up the messenger. :p
 

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Hi, that is interesting. I use a Mighty Vac Silverline vacuum bleeding setup. I wonder why that would have any effect.
 

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I can't verify this but there is a good chance that the proportioning valve most bronco vendors are stocking comes from the same manufacturer. We actually just installed one on a Bronco and after bleeding the brakes it started leaking from the front where that rubber plug is. We talked to our rep and he said that one of the ways to create a leak is to use a vacuum assist pump to bleed the brakes. We had in fact used a vacuum pump. He sent us the replacement unit and instead of replacing the whole thing i just un screwed the relief valve and swapped it into the one already installed. Then i gravity bled all four corners and have had zero issues since. I inspected the pieces that came out of the leaky one and I did see a small nick in the rubber seal. I have no clue what caused the leak but I have a few more Broncos that are getting brake jobs soon so i will be keeping a close eye on the p valve to see if using a vaccum assisted pump creates a leak.

Please feel free to prove or disprove their theory just don't beat up the messenger. :p

A few posts up, I give a theory opinion. I also had to replace the inner valve and seal assembly due to the leaking at the rubber plug. I believe the piston style seal gets cut during the assembly process of the proportioning valve due to the sharp edges of the brass and tight fit of the seal in the bore. The reason it takes a while to leak and that it varies from vehicle to vehicle is the severity level of the cut in the seal and the location of the cut. As the system is pressurized, the cut begins to grow until the leak path is created.
Being in the seal business for the past 15 years, I see it all the time and a large portion of seal failures / eventual leaks happen at seal installation rather than the harshness of the application. Sharp edges (especially with aluminum and brass) are detrimental to rubber seals (and fingers).

In my proportioning valve, I found the sliver of the rubber seal detached from the seal. Unfortunately, these seals on the inner valve are not a simple AS568 or standard metric oring - from memory, the seal on the inner valve piston looked to be a custom molded shape as opposed to a round CS or quad shaped CS. They might be square or rectangular, can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure you can't buy just the seal off shelf.

I believe all of the vendors are aware of the problem and generally don't challenge the fact that this is a problem area of the proportioning valve. The prop valve manufacturer should take a look at the process or offer a standalone replacement seal only kit IMO


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Joe473

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I can't verify this but there is a good chance that the proportioning valve most bronco vendors are stocking comes from the same manufacturer. We actually just installed one on a Bronco and after bleeding the brakes it started leaking from the front where that rubber plug is. We talked to our rep and he said that one of the ways to create a leak is to use a vacuum assist pump to bleed the brakes. We had in fact used a vacuum pump. He sent us the replacement unit and instead of replacing the whole thing i just un screwed the relief valve and swapped it into the one already installed. Then i gravity bled all four corners and have had zero issues since. I inspected the pieces that came out of the leaky one and I did see a small nick in the rubber seal. I have no clue what caused the leak but I have a few more Broncos that are getting brake jobs soon so i will be keeping a close eye on the p valve to see if using a vaccum assisted pump creates a leak.

Please feel free to prove or disprove their theory just don't beat up the messenger. :p
Good feedback Mike. I did use a vacuum bleeder on this most recent one but the one last year did bleed the old fashioned way gravity and then with a friend on the pedal. Same thing started leaked after a long trip.

What are your thoughts on heat from ceramic coated shorties?

Any chance you guys could get rebuild kits from the vendor? Would save us and then vendor some time and money?

Thank you

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I believe all of the vendors are aware of the problem and generally don't challenge the fact that this is a problem area of the proportioning valve. The prop valve manufacturer should take a look at the process or offer a standalone replacement seal only kit IMO


DJs74

I can't speak for other vendors but we have inquired about the problem. Unfortunately we got a typical big corporation answer. Because of the high volume of proportioning valves they sell. They feel that the problems people have are in the 1% category and will not take action to fix their product. They will continue to do warranty repair as expressed in their manufacturers warranty and replacement policy.

I'd like to give you a better answer than that. I'll continue to report to them our concerns as a community.
 

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Good feedback Mike. I did use a vacuum bleeder on this most recent one but the one last year did bleed the old fashioned way gravity and then with a friend on the pedal. Same thing started leaked after a long trip.

What are your thoughts on heat from ceramic coated shorties?

Any chance you guys could get rebuild kits from the vendor? Would save us and then vendor some time and money?

Thank you

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I've wondered about the header heat myself. I'll inquire with the manufacturer if they have test results on heat tolerance.


Yes we inquired about rebuild kits and asked for them. They gave us more proportioning valves instead. We will keep trying.
 
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