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Money Pit - Phase III

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Makes sense. I wanted to make it to Dresser this year but I'm consumed by a bunch of upgrades right now. Maybe next year!

It's a good time - for having 500+ preregistered trucks I never had to wait on the trails. They have huge parties in a tent with live bands and vendors - it's a lot of fun. I live around 10-15 minutes from Dresser but I still camp every year - love it.

There was a bit of carnage as we had 10 trucks in our group - 5 drive shafts, alternators, dropped oil pickup tube, axle shafts, broken coilovers and busted links - the worst we have run into in awhile. We got all but one truck back on the trail - too much work to drop a pan looking for problems.
 
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Got the front drive shaft apart last weekend - here is the carnage.



When I took the CV apart on the shaft I found that the seal on the pivot ball had been dented pretty good and fell out. A replacement kit is around $35 so I'm just going to pound it straight and keep it greased for the rest of this season.
 
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Well - AVF was hard on parts yet again. My fresh motor mount died shortly after I unloaded the truck off the trailer :scratch.gif: The groove job I did on the front tires worked very good, never aired down from my initial setting of 20lbs. I got some body damage and has transmission issues from the motor twisting and interfering with the shifter linkage causing the transmission to jump in and out of gears with the motor twist, that sucked.

I'm thinking my front shocks are limiting travel -


Last weekend I picked up another D70 rear that is much narrower then my current axle. I'm going from 74.5" WMS to ~68" WMS, the truck will actually fit on my trailer and down the trail now... My plans for that axle are a welded differential, disk brakes (swap the hubs over and just get new weld on brackets), and a shave job. I'm going to shave it down to the ring gear and add 3/8 plate on the bottom - my current axle hangs up on everything.

If an axle swap wasn't enough, I'm gathering parts for a NP435 swap. The C4 is working good, makes for a great pavement pounder transmission, but with the 351W I'm building it will need a rebuild for the extra power I'll be putting down. A 435 swap is much cheaper, gives me much better gearing and is stronger. I daily drive a 5 speed, I've been itching to bang gears on the trail :twisted.gif:


My current ratio's with the Atlas are nice, in low range, but I've always wanted to wheel in high range as well.

C4 ratio's are:

High / Low
10.11 : 38.42
6.0 : 22.80
4.11 : 15.62

NP435 ratio's are:

High / Low
27.5 : 104.48
13.73 : 52.16
7.36 : 27.96
4.11 : 15.62

High range is doubled in almost every gear and it cascades perfectly from lir ranged 3rd to high range 1st. If I need more wheel spin I can just toss it into high range and go. The 104:1 crawl will be nice in Gilbert as well :)
 
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This weekend I was able to get some work done on the truck again - the weather played nice too. A friend and I were able to replace the freshly installed and broken motor mount in record time (~15 minutes) as well as come up with a plan on how we are going to chain the motor down. The Atlas brings all sorts of driveline torque that needs to be limited.

From there we decided that after last weekend at AVF, it was time to fix my brakes. Most of the time I was standing on the pedal on neutral going down hills - not good at all. Awhile back I purchased a MC for a 75 F250 as they have dual piston front calipers - I was thinking it would improve my braking over the factor drum/drum MC currently in the truck.

I've got my brakes ground to clear my 15" wheels, some how I lost a brake pad and the result was the caliper sliding over and overextending the pistons, causing a leak. So off came the caliper to be torn down, cleaned and reassembled. After carefully cleaned and reassembly the caliper was reinstalled, new pads as well. Time for bleeding - except the bleeder screw promptly broke off, these calipers are not even a year old.

Out came the drill and easy outs, the hammer and a mapp gas torch. I was able to cleanly remove the bleeder, but a sleeve came out with it. This is a rebuilt caliper, so it looks like it was drilled out, sleeved and a smaller bleeder was installed (the bleeder on this side is smaller the the exact caliper on the other side) The adapter is nowhere to be found, not in any system and no size found in the large bleeder selection the store had. We were stuck and had to get the truck out of the garage - I put a vise grips on the flex line by that caliper and gravity bled the rears. I've never been happy with the way my disk brakes have worked in the rear, but with the front line pinched off at one of the calipers I could stop on a dime, it was insane the how well the rears work. I parked it for another day of wrenching to get my brakes back together.

Running out of options my brother came up with the idea of sealing a 7/16-20 bolt to the face of the caliper. I filed down the caliper surface around the bleeder hole until it was flat (there was a low spot) and we used a bronze washer and a 7/16-20 grade 8 bolt and tightened it down. Without the washer the caliper would gravity bleed with the bolt tightly torque down, with the washer it doesn't leak a drop.

On to the bleeding - we bled the fronts and re-bled the rears and with that caliper in place I've got even worse braking, the truck stops in 4lo, but not very well at all. I'm thinking there may be a problem with either the H-block or that caliper. When I push on the brake pedal the caliper moves in and out, it doesn't seat and stay in one place like my father's D60 and the same year D60 in my tow rig. It's interesting how I had awesome brakes with that caliper pinched off and everything got worse when I added it... I want to bypass the prop valve and see how things work, it's possibly it won't bleed properly with that in place. I've never touched it before in any of my bleeding brakes, maybe that is where the problem lies.

Gluten for more punishment after being frustrated with my brakes I thought it would be a good time to install a 4 barrel intake and carb. The old intake came off the motor without any issues, besides prying if off the heads with a giant pry bar. The new intake was placed on and immediately we noticed a heater hose fitting was going to interfere with the dual fuel lines on the Holley double pumper I had. The fitting stripped out after a few rotations trying to remove it and we had to pry it out of the boss on the intake. The steel fitting stripped and left the threads in the alum intake - ?:? Out came a chisel and some delicate pounding we got most of the steel out and with some time and RTV, we threaded the new one in and so far it is holding water pressure. Without any tuning, timing or re-jetting (it was on a juiced 454 for awhile) it ran good and has a bit more power. I've got a feeling my 30 spline outers on the D60 may be tested shortly here...

Pics to follow - I'm going to try and reroute my brake lines around the prop valve and see what happens, but first I'm going to vise grip that caliper again and see how my braking improves. I don't think my passenger side moves with the brake pedal, I'm thinking that is why the pedal has so much travel and poor braking performance.
 
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Need to snap a shot of the carb and air cleaner, I don't think I'm going to run the factory setup, probably restrictive with the bigger carb and intake.



That bastard fitting took way too long to remove, thankfully my brother had the patience to remove it. :mad:
 
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I'm on my way to my 435 swap - I've got a 6cyl adapter, the NP435 transmission and a direct line on a adapter to bolt the 435 to my Atlas 2. The gear banger is back on the market and I plan on using a combination of a Wilwood master cylinder and a Howe Racing slave cylinder on a 79' steel bellhousing to work the clutch. I would eventually like to setup a hand throttle off the gear banger for ultra flexibility when climbing.

I'll snap some pictures of my greasy pile of parts later- the Bronco is getting new plugs, condenser and points in hopes it runs better. A carb spacer is also getting installed, didn't notice that the secondaries were not opening, thinking it just fouled the plugs up bad.
 
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Project: Money Pit - NP435 Question

I finally got pictures of my pile-o-parts and I've got a whole series of questions now.

Here is my very greasy NP435 - usually don't see them with the rear housing over the shaft, but does that look correct? It's got the small 4 bolt pattern.

I pulled the top cover and was greeted by clean and shiney gears; the seller did say "it's cleaner then a nun's box."

I also got a bellhousing from him off a 79' 302 truck, it looks correct.


I think the transmission is correct along with the bellhousing, but I'm not certain about the 6-cylinder adapter housing I got. I don't know what to expect and that bearing is throwing me off. Does that come out? Press?

I thought it would be flat on this side - my Atlas sure won't bolt up to that in it's current condition.

I'm going to go with the B.C. 435 to D20 adapter plate and I was curious if this looked correct.
 
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Went to Dresser for my last run of the year - had perfect weather and made it through most of the weekend without breaking.

Sunday afternoon I broke the yolk off the D70 and cracked the ears on the drive shaft slip yolk. I am going to need a traction bar before I do any more wheeling -


I removed the shaft, found both caps and backed off the log I tried climbing. I took off in FWD low and made it around two or three corners and blew a rear bead ?:?

Some how I put a nice cut in the sidewall of one of my rear boggers and it peeled off the rim.


We actually have a full size spare with us on the trail so it was a quick fix, it looked odd as hell though.


The weather was perfect - the leaves were changing nicely.
 

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not the first atlas II yoke i've seen go to crap, jones' broke real easy fresh out of the box also. i'm not convinced their metal doesn't come from china....
 
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not the first atlas II yoke i've seen go to crap, jones' broke real easy fresh out of the box also. i'm not convinced their metal doesn't come from china....

The Atlas2 yolk I broke when i first had it out was NOT a Spicer product. I order a pair of 1310 CV yolks for a friend from Spicer and they came stamped with the Spicer name on it, my yolks from AA did not have any identifying marks on them %) If I break another one I'll raise hell, but so far, so good. I'm going to upgrade my axle side of the drive shaft to a 1410 joint on both ends, that should hold up to the abuse.
 
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How does the Full Hidro works on the street? is it quick enough?

I've driven it on the street from time to time - it works great. People don't usually know what to expect when they hop behind the wheel, but truth to be told, it drive alot like a car. The steering is crisp and responsive, I can go around a 90* dirt corner, kick the back end out and then oversteer out of the corner without a problem.

My experience with it on the street is with cut 37" boggers - I've never had a radial on it, but I imagine it will handle even better with a less aggressive tire.
 
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Time for an update - I bought a house in late January and the time before and after have consumed every moment of my free time. It's worth it though -first time buyer too.

I still have not fixed the rear drive line on the Bronco, but I got some parts last night to get 4wd back. I'm running the factory rear drive shaft from the Bronco and it fits perfect with the lift and the longer pinion of the D70, so it's actually stock length at the moment.

I was running a 1310 to 1350 conversion joint and that held up great, found out it was stronger then the driveshaft parts around it... %)

This is an upgrade anyone can do when swapping to another axle or a larger rear yolk. I bought a new axle yolk, slip stub and u-joint that fits the factory spline of the drive shaft.

This converts the 1310 to a 1350 without any cutting, just slid on the larger slip yolk and you are done!



Once I get the driveshaft out of the barn I'll take some pictures of how everything fits. I really need a traction bar before I play hard again - the parts pictured cost me around $150 from my local Spicer dealer. That included the yolk, pinion nut and washer, 1350 u-joint (solid, non-greasable) and the slip stub.

 
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Well - that was a good fun 20 minutes in my backyard...


 

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Cool, that's the way I upgraded mine as well. I'm using the stock Fullsize Bronco driveshafts though. They have the 1330 upper CV head but has the same size and spline count.
 
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Cool, that's the way I upgraded mine as well. I'm using the stock Fullsize Bronco driveshafts though. They have the 1330 upper CV head but has the same size and spline count.

Very cool - I can use those parts for an upgrade. That would save some money - all I would need is another yolk for the Atlas output.
 

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I couldn't keep one in the front driveline but I haven't had any issues in the rear. The front was flexing beyond the 35 deg. that I could get out of the 1330 CV. I ended up going to a 2" tube and a single 1350 joint at the t-case with the front. So far it has held up but it hasn't been tested like the rest of the rig has yet. The rear DS gets abused quite often and I haven't had any problems until I touched a rock with the tube! %) Retubed and went on.
 
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I have a custom Tom Woods shaft - I had the yolks clearanced on both ends and I'm running a 1330 joint on the axle and a 1310 cv on the front. I have not had any binding issues, if I do, I can always go with an offset joint as it's a trailer queen.
 

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Mine does great so far, even with the front hubs locked in going down the highway. I'm using the 1330 joint on the axle as well.
 
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Mine does great so far, even with the front hubs locked in going down the highway. I'm using the 1330 joint on the axle as well.

Good to know - I may have to go that route when I try and get more travel out of the front end, although I'll probably put air shocks and link the back before I mess with the front. So far I'm very happy with how the truck articulates - I rarely lift a tire and it rides SUPER smooth.
 
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