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Please Share Your Marti Report Statistics With The Bronco Community
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LOL.
OK, here's what he told me a few years ago:
There is not a report available for your last question (me asking about 76 Special Decors).
While theoretically any question could be answered, it is data and can only be determined by computer programming. We have invested what we have in the programming and we aren’t going to start doing individualized questions because there aren’t enough people that would pay for the cost of programming to make it a viable business model.
So there you have it.
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Marti's statement makes little sense specific to this discussion. I understand that he wouldn't want to program to determine how many Broncos had black lighter knobs vs chrome (just a silly example), but if they counted every other model, the Explorer and (possibly, read below) the '77 Special Decor, what's the issue with '76 specifically?
Sure, the Special Decor is a decor group... but so was the Explorer. I don't have any Explorer Martis handy but were they counted the same way by Marti as the Sport or Ranger package was, or did those numbers come from another source? The two '77 Special Decor Martis I have here don't count it, but yet we have a number on Jack's list? How did that come to be?
And then we all want to know how many Special Decor came on a Standard Bronco, vs combined with the Sport package?
His comment, as well as other comments in the past, lead me to believe that the data he is working with was largely pieced together and there was a lot of manual manipulation involved in creating the database he has now.
There have been other threads, here and on other forums, which mentioned asking Marti for more specific information which would benefit collectors. Even though it is clear, from reviewing Marti reports, that he has the information available, the response seems to always be that it is not worth the effort for him.
It’s unfortunate that Marti is the only company with access to this information. In the right hands, it could probably be sliced and diced to answer a lot of our open questions about production numbers, build dates, vin numbers etc....
There have been other threads, here and on other forums, which mentioned asking Marti for more specific information which would benefit collectors. Even though it is clear, from reviewing Marti reports, that he has the information available, the response seems to always be that it is not worth the effort for him.
It’s unfortunate that Marti is the only company with access to this information. In the right hands, it could probably be sliced and diced to answer a lot of our open questions about production numbers, build dates, vin numbers etc....
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Indeed! I deal with data and statistics for another brand of classic 4x4 on a daily basis and I dream of having it all digitized and searchable. I have looked manually thru as many as 52,000 build sheets at a sitting looking for certain rare models and options. It's a test of sanity (they're coming to take me away, haha!) and eyesight. Not sure what's invovled in programming to find more details, but it's gotta be easier than that. But them, I was motivated and didn't have considerations other than getting the answers. Marti is running a business. It's different.
I came away with the following conclusion after a couple of phone calls with them, they're only going regurgitate the info they have, whether correct or incorrect from the Ford info. They're not going to investigate or correct anything. I've seen a couple errors on trim codes, that obviously 100% in error, whatever was documented from Ford whether correct or incorrect is going to be on your Marti Report. Both issues I called about were seat issues, stating that a certain code indicated bucket seats, but stating bench seat next to the bucket seat code. Also stating bench front with rear seat, next to a bucket seat with rear seat code. Not discounting the how valuable their service is by any means, I just wish they had some sort of "investigative" division that could clarify simple issues like mentioned above.
Amazed at how many 67' went to South America! Lots of u13 67' even.
What Fordfan pointed out is not an issue, just an observation.
Marti has enough information to state the number of Broncos produced in specific color “Cayan Red” with a specific trim level “Special Decor”. It’s obvious that they have the data, and could provide the total number of Special Decors produced if they were motivated.....
That's exactly what I'm saying. My Marti says 9 for Parchment Rosette Bench Seat.........it's documented in many places 9 is bucket seats and no rear seat, but because that's what was scribbled on my build sheet or whatever, Marti is going to put that on my Marti report regardless of whether it's wrong or right, that's what they told me on the phone lol. Same with the Special Decor, if they wanted to put the effort into it, they could, the information is there.
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How likely is it that the listed number of 2,794 is for ALL Special Decor-equipped Broncos, both '76 and '77? I wonder because several sources state the Special Decor was a late addition to the 1976 model year. What's the earliest Bronco with Special Decor listed on the Marti? I also wonder how the Explorer package plays into this? Did it end as the Special Decor began?
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I've always assumed they overlapped but it's a good question. More digging in production dates, I guess, to compare the two.
And yeah, Marti's do have errors. I was looking at the report on my truck recently (a '69) and realized it stated a '71 date at some point in its production cycle.
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All the production numbers in this thread are from Marti reports that I acquired either thru E-bay, this thread or friends sending me the report.
I'll post the 77 Decor report that states 2,975 were produced. But the statistics box is only for the year and model, in this case 1977 U-150 Wagon.
I'll post the 77 Decor report that states 2,975 were produced. But the statistics box is only for the year and model, in this case 1977 U-150 Wagon.
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We need to start a thread like the original colors thread on Bench Seats, Explorer , Ranger interiors and the different fabric that was used.
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The Ford Dealers order information book has a page that is dated 'Revised Feb. 1976' and lists the Special Décor Group' with all the available options (standard and optional) and shows the 17 colors that were available in the Special Décor. One thing that I just noticed in looking at this again, the Special Décor was available in every color except for Silver Metallic. Why? Did Ford think that no one would want a Silver special décor? This is specific to the '76 model year, not the '77. The yellow tape stripe was available only on three colors and the black stripe was available on five colors. All the other colors had a white stripe. (As per the Ford Dealer Order Facts Book for '76).
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I have the same books(s). I have seen (but don't own) the first edition of the '76 Data Book and I don't remember the Special Decor in it. I was at the home of a Ford truck collector a few years back, was looking thru his materials and flipped to the Bronco section. It was date July '75 IIRC and it had neither the Explorer nor the Special Decor listed. The I don't trust my memory quite enough to call this a fact, but between it and a couple of references in books that talk about the Special Decor being a late addition to the lineup (and February '76 would be almost mid production/marketing year), it's a decently strong theory. Now to prove it....
I have not yet seen the Explorer listed in a Data or Facts book, at least the '72, '73 and '76 books I have, only in the special flyers.
BTW, if you hadn't guessed, I am embroiled in this because I am doing a story on Lee Gentry's '77 Special Decor.
And '77 was a little different because the solid color or white top option was added to the package.
It still seems so strange that Marti could turn up a number for '77 and not '76. Unless they are a combined number, of course... and considering the spectre of errors.
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